THE
GREAT DREAM
A
New Heresy of Bible Zeal and Deep Secrets
This is Deadly
Introduction: By Steve Van
Nattan-- This came to my attention recently, and I thought, "Well, this
is just too nutty to go anywhere." I was wrong. As is almost always
the case with new heresies, this thing is illusive. I am going out on a
limb to try to psyche it out. I ask the Lord to help me avoid blundering.
If you can prove some of my facts are arranged wrong, I would appreciate
E-Mail about it. If you think The Great Dream notions are of God, don't
bother writing. I am now a bigot on the matter. These people are loonie
as a goonie. ONE:
Here are the sites where
you need to go. Please check out this mess by following the links. I
will drop only a fraction of the mental and devilish nut case material below the
links for your interest: http://users.multipro.com/tgd/index.html
http://users.multipro.com/tgd/grtdrm1.html
http://users.multipro.com/tgd/grtdrm2.html
TWO: Sampler of
error Lordship salvation and "cloning" Arminianism
Jesus Christ says that receiving not His WORDS is the SAME THING as rejecting
Him. I ask you AGAIN about the CREDIBILITY of Jesus Christ.....Did Jesus TELL
THE TRUTH? Can Jesus BACK UP WHAT HE SAYS? Will Jesus PROVE TO BE FAITHFUL to
those who TRUST and OBEY Him? Oh! How SICK and SAD it is that God should have
to send me to tell you this! Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell
you THE TRUTH? (Gal. 4:16). likely so: for this IS...THE AGE OF APOSTASY. I myself,
will continue to cling to the Jesus of The Red Letters, for I LOVE the Jesus WHO
SAID all those things. I want THAT Jesus to be Lord of ALL. I want THAT Jesus
to be King, and RULER over my life. The Jesus to Who DIED FOR YOU has ALSO told
you HOW to escape from the SINFUL DRUDGERY of this present world. If you are UNWILLING
to DO LIKE Jesus tells you; it is BECAUSE you don't believe Him OR trust Him,
OR love HIM; and He said, If ye love Me, keep My commandments (John 14:15). http://users.multipro.com/tgd/anjesus.html
Signs and Wonders Lust Mark.16:16
He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall
be damned. 17. And these signs shall follow them that believe: In My name shall
they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18. They shall take up
serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall
lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. No single statement
by my LORD JESUS CHRIST has weighed upon me more heavily over the years than These
signs SHALL follow them that believe. Jesus didn't say, "These signs shall follow
the Apostles"; neither did He say "These signs shall pass away in a few hundred
years". What shall we do? Shall our FAILURE to have these WONDERFUL MANIFESTATIONS
of divine power in our lives mean nothing to us? Shall we be content to watch
the sick and the oppressed file by, and wonder WHY we cannot do anything for them
except to recommend doctors, diets, and counseling? And when the evil disease
or the heartbreaking tragedy strikes in our own homes and families; shall we just
EXCUSE OURSELVES? Shall our claim to be "men and women of faith" turn out to be
a HOLLOW BOAST? Look: I DIDN'T WRITE THE BIBLE. It's NOT MY FAULT that Jesus said
these things. Don't be angry at me, or try to "imagine" what my motives are if
I seem to challenge the validity of your faith. I am, dear Reader, bringing myself
to judgment about these things every day. HOWEVER, lest you think that there have
been no SIGNS in my life either, let me set the record straight for you. There
HAVE BEEN such signs in my life, BUT NOT MANY, and I have not been reliable to
show the proof of God's power in my life for those who have looked to me. In NO
WAY does my own failure to demonstrate the power of God in my life in a RELIABLE
WAY prove that I am not supposed to have THAT POWER, and I am daily crying out
to God to reveal my errors and grant me repentance even now. http://users.multipro.com/tgd/anjesus.html
They absolutely do NOT trust the King James Bible as
the only Bible in English: The following exposition on 1
Timothy 4:1-5 is written with the PRESUMPTION that the King James Version of The
Bible is a RELIABLE translation of the Holy Scriptures from their original languages.
However, by the word RELIABLE, I do not suggest that the KJV is perfectly accurate;
for it is not. What protects the RELIABILITY of the KJV is that those who did
the translating were fully convinced that THERE WAS SUCH A THING as an Inspired
Written Record of Religious Truth AND that: their definition of INSPIRATION included
PRESERVATION. In other words, they believed in a God Who INTENDED that CERTAIN
and PARTICULAR words and phrases would be BOTH recorded and RELIABLY preserved
until the End of the World, and in some way, on into Eternity. This writer agrees.
The Bible also protects it's own doctrines. The Divine Genius
Who is the Composer and Preserver of The Christian Bible has designed it
in such a way that occasional mistranslations of a word or phrase cannot obscure
or change the IDEA that God INTENDED to be UNDERSTOOD by any HONEST reader. This
preservation of DOCTRINE is accomplished by REITERATION and by ALLUSION. The Bible
is REDUNDANT: it SAYS the SAME THINGS over and over again in DIFFERENT WAYS; therefore,
an incorrect understanding of any particular word or phrase cannot be harmonized
with the other Scriptures that address or touch on the same doctrine. The MASSIVENESS
of The Bible protects it from purposeful meddling by SECTARIAN BUREAUCRATS. Most
editions of the Christian Bible are more than 1000 pages in length. Direct addresses
and allusions to the MOST IMPORTANT doctrines in The Bible are "sprinkled" throughout
it's entirety. In order for any "translator" to COMPLETELY obscure or change a
MAJOR doctrine of the Bible without being detected, he must undertake a task of
such monumental proportions, that such an undertaking IS, HAS BEEN, and SHALL
REMAIN completely beyond the limits of human intelligence. Even though
the world is now being flooded with an ever increasing host of confusing and contradictory
"versions", The Bible remains IMPERVIOUS to any attempt at obscuring or changing
what it actually says. Jesus Christ Himself quotes from the Old Testament AS IF
He is EXPECTING His hearers to agree that THOSE PARTICULAR WORDS are the uncontestable
Truth: He quotes from Moses and the Prophets without qualification or apology,
in the presumption that what He quotes from is true and accurate. When Jesus said,
The scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35), He declared The Bible to be entirely
self-consistent. This writer agrees. The Christian Bible is SO consistent, that
NO translation of it, no matter how biased or inadequate, is able to obscure what
God intended for His Bible to SAY to the mind of any HONEST man. The
reason that I chose to use the King James Version only is because it is a VERY
GOOD translation, and because it wins more TRUST from it's reader than any other.
There are several other translations currently available that I could use in writing
this book, and have no problem demonstrating and supporting the same Truth. In
many cases, appeal to the public authority of other translations would make my
job easier. But I believe it has been the will of God for me to stick to the King
James Bible throughout, and to NOT make appeal to ANY OTHER popular translation,
even if it is more "perfectly accurate" in it's rendition of particular words
or phrases. I am convinced that the King James Version of the Bible is sufficiently
accurate to reliably communicate all of God's revealed truth, and that it needs
neither support nor clarification from any other source. If and when I find it
necessary to supply corrected renderings or precise definitions for certain words;
it is NOT because I cannot present my case from the English Text as it stands;
but because I have to confront and refute dishonest and willfully ignorant minds
that hunt and poke for loopholes, rat holes, and trivialities. This book is intended
to condemn all who love to say, "Yea, Hath God said?" (Gen.3:1), whenever they
are confronted by The Truth. http://users.multipro.com/tgd/2signs.html
They are Bible butchers: 1Tim.4:1
From the King James Version of The Holy Bible Now the Spirit speaketh
expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith; giving heed
to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils; 2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having
their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding
to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
of them which believe and know the truth. 4. For every creature of God is good,
and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5. For it is sanctified
by the word of God and prayer. You will find that my translation
isn't MUCH different from the KJV, and that the rest of God's Bible is in agreement
with what I am going to tell you. Some of you will wish you could murder me after
you read THIS. EVEN IF YOU DO, I'll have the LAST LAUGH on you. YOU CAN BET ON
IT. For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain (Philippians 1:21).
The heretic butchered version: 1 Timothy 4:1-5 1. The Holy Spirit
just now spoke these words to me. He says, that in the final stages of this present
age, some of those who apostasize from the faith will do so by giving heed to
influences which mislead them into embracing teachings that are sponsored by demons;
2. Being incapable of realizing their error. Under the pretense of being experts,
they will say a lot of things that seem right, but are false. 3. The effect of
these demonic teachings will be to discourage people from getting or staying married;
and to make the attainment of health, and the attainment of true holiness into
matters of what you eat and drink; insisting on total abstinence from things that
God created to be received with gratitude by those who trust Him, and yield allegiance
to the truth. 4. For everything God made is good, and nothing is unclean that
may be received with true thankfulness to God, 5. For it is then sanctified both
by God's word, and by a readiness to check with God first. The
2 SIGNS OF THE APOSTASY are doctrines of devils about MARRIAGE and about DIET.
This is the only place in the Bible where you will find a term like doctrines
of devils, which means, "teachings emanating from demons". The reason I have supplied
my own translation (or paraphrase, which it really is), is because 2 important
facts are lost in the KJV rendering of 1 Timothy 4:1-5 due to the impossibility
of translating the grammatical construction of this phrase without completely
reorganizing the order of the words, and repeating some words again to maintain
the context. You will notice that in the KJV, the words and commanding
are italicized; this is because there is nothing to correspond to them in the
Greek Original. Take "and commanding" out of the KJV and read it again, and you
will see what I mean. The 2 important facts are: 1.The doctrines are the SIGNS,
not the people who teach them. These doctrines can be identified by their effects.
2.The demons are doing most of the TEACHING, not the people who are giving heed
to them. This is very important. A literal rendition of the bridge
between verse 1 and verse 2 would read like this: teachings of demons. . . . .
. . . . .through the stage acting of phony logic in the already seared to a scar
tissue consciences of their's. What cannot be seen in the KJV is that DEMONS are
doing most of the teaching. These are doctrines that are occurring directly to
the minds of those who embrace them. These doctrines then appear to arise spontaneously
in the minds of different people, each one thinking he has `concluded a truth'
on his own. When he meets someone else who has reached the same conclusions, this
is seen as CONFIRMATION of these doctrines. These ideas appear to be "logical".
The word translated to liars in the KJV is PSEUDOLOGON: "pseudo-facts, or pseudo-reasonings":
PSEUDO-LOGIC. It is this type of `reasoning your way into error' that is anticipated
by the following scripture.... http://users.multipro.com/tgd/2signs.html
The Nutcase claim-- New York City and
the United Nations are Mystery Babylon: REVIVED BABYLON
Over 4000 years have passed since the events in Genesis 11 took place,
and today's Bible students are trying to find SOMETHING or SOME PLACE to call
Babylon. This is because there are UNFULFILLED PROPHECIES in both Testaments concerning
Babylon. If some sort of REVIVED BABYLON cannot be found, then Bible Prophecy
will prove to be unreliable. Some have suggested that the original city would
be rebuilt on the original site, and become the capitol of the earth again. This
is VERY UNLIKELY, especially when you consider recent events in Iraq (the area
of Ancient Babylon). Even if a new city WERE built on the original
site, it is hard to imagine how such a city could actually DOMINATE over cities
like New York, Moscow, Rome, London, Brussels, or Beijing. Protestants like to
say that REVIVED BABYLON is Rome: the city that sits on 7 HILLS. BUT, you have
to "squint" at the prophecy to "see" Rome in it, because this Woman who is also
a city definitely sits on mountains, NOT hills (Rev. 17:9). This City, according
to the prophecy, reigneth over the kings of the earth (Rev. 17:18). The entire
nation of Italy is a second rate political power in today's world, and EVEN IF
the Vatican does have embassies in other countries like a sovereign state; Rome
does not, and CANNOT give ORDERS to the other nations; for Rome does NOT have
THE GUNS or THE MONEY to force compliance. That this REVIVED BABYLON
is an EMPIRE, and more than just a single city, CANNOT be denied, for it reigneth
over the kings of the earth. And furthermore, this REVIVED BABYLON is shown to
have the 3 primary components of EMPIRE: the ECONOMIC, the POLITICAL, and the
RELIGIOUS. In Rev. 18:12-13 her merchandise includes slaves [Grk. SOMATON, the
physical bodies of men], and souls [the moral and spiritual loyalties of men].
The ECONOMIC COMPONENT controls "the goods". The POLITICAL COMPONENT controls
"the bodies" of men by making and enforcing the laws of public order. The RELIGIOUS
COMPONENT controls "the souls" of men by dictating to the people what should be
the proper objects of their loyalties. MYSTERY BABYLON
Rev.17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON
THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS, AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. This MYSTERY
BABYLON cannot be found by looking at a map. The word that is translated to mystery
is MUSTERION, which means "a secret, hidden from public view, and known only to
a select group". This is a SECRET BABYLON. The word city in Revelation 17:18 is
POLIS, which means [any organized social or political agency governed by a single
policy]. Thus, in Hebrews 12:22, The Church is also called a "city". Revived Babylon
is a SECRET KINGDOM; and is composed of 3 diverse, though cooperative elements.
That the 3 components of this SECRET EMPIRE are DISTINCT from one another is plainly
shown, in that the POLITICAL COMPONENT eventually turns against the RELIGIOUS
COMPONENT (Rev. 17:16), and the ECONOMIC COMPONENT will lament the destruction
of the RELIGIOUS COMPONENT (Rev. 17:11). Each of these diverse components of the
SECRET EMPIRE may havetheir own separate headquarters. Likely candidates are easy
to find. New York (the United Nations) may be the POLITICAL headquarters. Brussels
(the Common Market) may be the ECONOMIC.headquarters. Rome is most likely the
RELIGIOUS headquarters. Just WHO is WHAT or WHERE in these matters is not the
subject I am inspired to address, and I am just GUESSING about these cities. I
am NOT "guessing" about WHAT Mystery Babylon IS, though. I have just told you,
and I am CORRECT. http://users.multipro.com/tgd/grtdrm1.html
They cannot interpret Scripture-- They trash those
God exalts-- The following is a vicious attack on the plain meaning and
stated blessing of God on a man. Is there a Identity reason? Are they
Jew and Old Covenant haters possibly?: EXAMPLE: In the book
of 2 Kings, chapters 9 & 10, is the story of a man named Jehu. A prophet is
sent from God to Jehu, ordering Jehu to wipe out the entire family of the evil
King Ahab. Jehu not only does this, but also kills all of Ahab's friends, and
all of the priests of Baal, the false God introduced into Israel by Jezebel, Ahab's
wife. Jehu accomplishes all this in a relentless and merciless fury, and then
becomes the King of Israel himself. Jehu faithfully accomplishes all of this "DIRTY
WORK" for God; but in the end, Jehu is guilty of the SAME SINS as King Ahab (2
Kings 10:31). Read this story in 2 Kings chapters 9 & 10. Jehu
was a HIRELING. Jehu HEARD FROM GOD. Jehu OBEYED GOD in the thing he was sent
to do. Jehu WAS PAID FOR HIS SERVICES by getting to be the king of Israel for
28 years. It's unlikely that Jehu fared any better than Ahab at the JUDGMENT OF
GOD, for he committed THE SAME SINS. There are many such examples in the Bible
that I could bring to your attention; but rather than belabor the point, I will
presume that I have proven that God uses HIRELINGS to accomplish his will, as
well as THE RIGHTEOUS. http://users.multipro.com/tgd/hire1.html
THREE: Here I make some
observations: These people seem to avoid the Old Testament
like a plague. They attack everything and everyone but themselves.
They don't care if they have friends. They conceal who
they are. Talk about a SECRET SOCIETY!! They attack the King
James Bible, and they butcher it. They interpret the Bible on the
basis of their pre-suppositions, not on sound principles of reason.
They leave the reader with nowhere to go but to them-- They are guruistic.
This whole thing sounds like it is the by-product of a guru in Wisconsin
named Best. My conclusion:
These are burned off Pentecostals who have gotten a belly full of Brownsville
devil worship and the snake oil ministry of Oral Roberts and many other sorry
scum of Charismania. Most of those I hear from, who fled Charismania, have
gone on to start house churches or join narrow way fellowships. They are
eager to find fellowship, while they are very cautious in doing so due to their
previous experiences. The Great Dream gang is mad and raging on all in their
path. They stay anonymous so that they don't have to be accountable for
their mindless rage. They will have little fruit, and they don't care I
gather. Beware of being drawn in by these and other raging exclusivists.
The following pathetic story of confusion is associated with
The Great Dream busters scenario.
FOUR: The following exchange was sent to me by David Casper. It
is associated with The Great Dream, though I cannot tell you how yet. I
shall be adding material as time goes by. Two things are obvious in
the following: 1. Wendy Howard Buester has here shown
her true colors. She clears the air in telling of her tongues speaking over
the past 30 years. This was hidden from many of us who are not Charismatic.
It is very helpful to see where she is coming from. This would explain
her passionate hate for Dr. Peter Ruckman. While Ruckman has things to answer
for, Wendy has written things about Ruckman which are not true, accepting here
say. I tried to get her to tone it down because trouble makers all over
the world were using my Web material about Ruckman and especially hers to attack
missionaries who had gone to Pensacola Bible Institute. One missionary's
whole program was trashed by a self-appointed church smasher in Rumania, and the
man used my Web material and Wendy's. I at once dropped my Web pages on
Ruckman to stop the damage to the Gospel, though I still have problems with Ruckman.
Wendy attacked me by mail when I asked her to drop her material on Ruckman.
I have avoided mentioning it until now, but I now feel that Wendy has been
paranoid over her tongues speaking. Why? She senses that Texe Marrs
or Ruckman will catch up with her eventually. She also hates the narrower
position on the King James Bible issue. Thus, with David Casper's
help in the Lord, we have caught up with Wendy Howard Buester. Does
this mean she is no good to the Lord's people? Answer: NO! Wendy
simply needs to take care of some things, just like Peter Ruckman, and like a
lot of us. If she won't take care of issues in her life, then she needs
to stop attacking others who represent a narrower position than hers. I
have tried over the years to watch those who are narrower than I am. It
is my desire to learn from them, not attack them. If they are right, I must
prove them by the Word of God, and then it is I who must change. I invite
Wendy to look into Gail Riplinger's book, "New Age Bible Versions. I have
personally proven many of the details in Gail's book. Fail is very narrow,
and I like being in company with those who take the narrowest positions. There
is real comfort in knowing one is carving out a small acre for Christ in the DMZ.
2. Here is an exchange between Wendy and others which is laced
with demon possession in tongues speaking, and those involved seem to think this
is the way to victory. This is a sort of sadomasochistic Charismatic
hybrid like I have never seen before. I fear this could be the next fad--
I.E. Get demonized and in the end you will have victory. I want you
readers to send me anything you can on this. I feel we are on the leading
edge of a new twist in doctrines of devils and the AOG, Brownsville, and Charismania
in general. Have you seen signs of Charismatics KNOWINGLY perservering through
demonic possession and claiming it was God's Holy Spirit's method of bringing
them to victory? Send your observations by E-Mail please.
Thus..... This is the letter from Dean Flanders:
Dear everyone, I got saved in a Pentecostal Church in 1970. They all
spoke in tongues all the time. I couldn't speak in tongues. I was insecure about
it. For months, I made trip after trip to the front of the church at the end of
every meeting: and there, I was subjected to all that you who have been in Pentecostal
Churches know about. I was becoming dismayed. The people who were praying for
me were becoming tired and bored. I began to fellowship with the fear that God
hadn't received me, and that I was still damned. FINALLY - there came
a night, and there I was again, back up at the front, kneeling over the prayer
rail. After wearing out several people, I was left there with the chief elder
and his wife -no one else was even left in the building. I awoke momentarily from
the near hysteria of my own prayer to realize that the elder had my left arm,
and the elder's wife had my right arm. They were almost engaged in a tug of war
over me and the elder was shouting, "Just hold on, Dean, just hold on!" The wife
was shouting, "Just let go, Dean, just let go!" I had always thought
and hoped that receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost would be a wonderful, transporting
experience, and I was unwilling to accept anything less: but in that moment I
felt like a lunatic among lunatics, and all I wanted was for THIS TO END.
So, in my heart (or under my breath) I said to God, "Please just let me
speak in tongues, so that I can get out of this!" I knew that until I spoke in
tongues that these people would never leave me alone, and that I would be endlessly
confronted with my shortcomings (in my church, your salvation was suspect if you
couldn't speak in tongues). Some of you know what I mean - you've been there.
So, with a shear act of will, I said some little thing like sha-la-dora-mona
or some such. The elder and his wife looked like they had just been let out of
jail, and after congratulating God and me and themselves profusely, they left,
and I was alone. What a disappointment. But I have been able to speak
in tongues freely and articulately, almost at will, ever since. I
was dismayed that the Baptism in the Holy Ghost, about which I had heard so much,
was only this. BIG DEAL, I thought....what a bummer....I wonder how many other
high sounding things in this faith will finally be discovered to be disappointing.
But at least, the social pressure was off me, and I was now received
as a "real Christian" by the church. 6 months passed. During that time, I spoke
in tongues but was constantly troubled by the lack of "feelings" when I did it.
I "felt" almost nothing. I often wondered if I wasn't just making it up and babbling.
But I sounded like all the rest, so I took some consolation in that. In my really
quiet moments, the insecurity raged. So...as I said, 6 months passed.
I was visiting my Jewish mother, and trying to convince her that I really found
God and salvation. She said (and I paraphrase), "That's good, Dean, that's good;
but you have always been a fanatic about whatever you were into, and this too,
will pass" - and she left the room. Disheartened, and even frightened, I cried
out to God, "WHY CAN'T I BE CONVINCING?" (these are the exact words - I remember
clearly) In a despairing gesture, I flipped open my Bible, which was
in my lap as I sat in the green chair in my mom's living room. My eyes fell upon
the 24th Psalm, and I began to read, trying to comfort myself or take refuge in
it...until....I got to this...... Psalm 24:7-10 Lift up
your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King
of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty,
the LORD mighty in battle.
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them
up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this
King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
AT THAT MOMENT - I had a vision. I was transported upwards, while the Bible expanded
to cover the world below me. The black lettering of the above verses became great
black holes below me on the white landscape of the page, and then I saw flames
of fire licking up out of the holes. And then, I felt like warm oil
was poured on my head, a lot of it, and it ran down around my neck and shoulders,
and down my legs to my feet. When it hit my feet, I felt like a powerful stream
of carbonated water rushed back up through me, from my feet, through my legs,
through my chest and arms, and back out the top of my head. I felt,
suddenly, CLEAN. I felt........innocent........and safe............
AND THEN...I was lifted even higher upwards, and I felt 2 arms embrace
me from the back, and I spent a moment sitting in someone's lap - feeling just
like a comforted baby. I was overwhelmed with joy, like the waters cover the sea.
I did not speak in tongues during or immediately after any of this.
Then with a woosh! I was rocketed back down into the chair, just as my mother
re-emerged from the hallway into the family room. I suspect that about 5 minutes
had passed. But I was a new boy. No longer the wilting, intimidated and insecure
child, I was now as bold as a lion as I continued my testimony to my conversion.
Within seconds, my mother broke out into sobs and fled the room. Acts
1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and
ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth. From that moment on, I had
the power to make a difference with my preaching - and went on from there to start
several ministries, which have had quite an impact on many people......even until
this day. BUT BACK TO "tongues and terror, and believing God's Word":
In the midst of my public success as a young hot-shot preacher boy,
I began to be a personal failure, for reasons which are clearly outlined in THE
GREAT DREAM. I forsook clinging to the plain language of my Bible in order to
advance my "preacher's career". (I MUST be the only one that has ever done this
:o)) At the end of my compromise, I lost all zeal for the faith, quit
my position, and went back to live with my parents. There, I underwent an oppressive
gloom, as it seemed that my 4 years in "the ministry" had been the wasting of
my youth. I couldn't get a decent job....and to my parents, money WAS the measure
of a man's worth. I didn't have a girl friend. I didn't have any friends left
at all. I spent long days in the hot sun walking FOR MILES from place to place,
trying in vain to get a job. I had no car and I had no money. At the end of those
days, I walked all the way back home to face my parents and admit with great shame
that I had FAILED AGAIN. One day, I am collapsed in gloom on a bus
bench, about 6 miles from home (yes, I walked all those 6 miles) in the hot sun.
I am near suicidal, and hating God. Looking up, I see a sign next to a golf course,
that says "Church" with an arrow pointing down a street. I decided I would go
and see "the church people" to find out if they could diagnose me or help me.
I found out that "the church" was a palatial home right across the street from
the golf course. Inside, was the Reverend Howard Coffee of the AoG, and his family,
and some of his "elders". I told them all about my problems and my dismay and
my fears. They assured me that they could help me, but that I should begin to
attend regularly. With a new hope, I walked all the way home, to learn that a
decent job had come through: but by that time, THE ISSUES OF MY HEART had become
all consuming, and the advent of "a job" did not answer to them. But after a few
meetings, when my gloom had not lifted, I cried and complained to them, "HELP
ME, I'M SINKING!!!" So.......we began to have "counseling sessions":
there was I....sitting on a chair, surrounded by "elders" asking me questions
and praying for me. A few weeks and many such "sessions" passed: but I was neither
relieved nor comforted, and I told them so. SO... they began to interrogate me
closely about every issue and matter of my life, until they came across my "speaking
in tongues" story (you just read what I told them above). Aha! they knew it NOW!
They diagnosed the problem: Because I had spoken in tongues by an
act of will instead of being compelled by the Holy Ghost, I was POSSESSED WITH
A DEMON THAT SPOKE IN TONGUES, and who tormented me otherwise. This
diagnosis was followed by several "demon casting sessions", but neither they,
nor I, were satisfied with the outcome of these sessions. They began to blame
me for clinging to the demon. I began to live in hell day and night. I was demon
possessed, damned, a loser, and it was all my fault. I began to lose weight rapidly
as the weeks dragged on. My hair fell out. My skin turned grayish. I was coughing
up blood. I couldn't sleep, but only swoon from exhaustion. All the while, I was
attending meetings and going to these counseling and demon casting sessions with
all the "respected elders". FINALLY, during one of these "sessions",
I was told that reason why they couldn't "cast it out" was because I was "protecting
the demon" by the exercise of restraint, and that I should just be totally passive,
and do or say whatever moved me. The first thing that flowed into my mind was
profanity, which for shame I would not repeat. Then, some kind of nonsense about
buffaloes and cookies, which I repeated. They fastened on that and determined
that I was possessed by a demon that called itself "buffalo", and began to denounce
and reject it. But still, nothing happened. They warned me again, that if I didn't
"let go", that I would never be delivered. In fright and desperation, I became
completely submissive to "whatever would come". Immediately I felt
a feeling like electricity run up from my fingers through my arms. My arms and
hands became paralyzed and contorted into a grotesque posture; then, the paralysis
overtook my whole body, and I fell off the chair onto the floor, then I began
o screech and babble aloud in what was OBVIOUSLY a blasphemous imitation of the
gift of tongues. I could hear myself, and I wasn't "praying": I was blaspheming
AND I KNEW IT. The "reverend" and the elders were by this time leaping
about and doing their own bit of shrieking. This pandemonium continued: me laying
on the floor all twisted up with my hands twisted into hooks and screeching in
what sounded like foreign profanity, while they pronounced, denounced, quoted,
threatened, and danced....UNTIL.............. .......I just got sick
of it. I refused the evil thing that had a hold of me and it immediately just
left. They, of course, wanted to claim "the victory", but I denied them that.
I was taken into another room by one of the chief women, who continued to interrogate
me. As I tried to explain myself, she continually rebuked "the demon" who was
speaking through me. I finally asked her whether or not "Dean" was ever getting
a word in while this demon controlled me. She said............NO.
I screamed aloud in dismay and ran from the room. I was met by the rest of the
"elders" in the next room, and there then ensued a chase, with me screaming "I
can't take this anymore" and trying to find an unblocked door. They were close
behind and dashing here and there and blocking the exits while they screamed back
and made all their pronouncements "in the name of Jesus". Finally, I got through
a door, and froze on the step. The Reverend Coffee stood inside the
door looking at me. I said, "I have to leave, I just can't take it anymore. Can't
you see that I am DYING HERE?" He said "You go ahead and leave, but
you will spend the rest your life eating dry straw". That was 1974.
I still speak in tongues. Luke 11:9-13 And I say unto you, Ask, and
it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened
unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and
to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you
that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a
fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much
more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
So.....what's it going to be for YOU dear Friends? will you believe the
Word of God, or will you let the doubt and fear of cowardice and faithlessness
rule your life? I have "paid the bill", in suffering and conflict and prayer and
struggle for my faith....and this is not the only such story I can tell.
YOU, (whoever you are) who think you can come along and quote a little
scripture out of context to shake me from this confidence are living in a DREAM
WORLD. Revelation 3:18-22 I counsel thee to buy of me
gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou
mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
As many as I love, I rebuke
and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Behold, I stand at the door,
and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him,
and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant
to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my
Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith
unto the churches. I am really tired of being challenged about such
matters by people who have never "paid the bill" for the convictions they so glibly
espouse. Take your untested and untried hypotheses and go practice making speeches
in front of a mirror, and see if you can first convince yourself before you decide
to use up any more of the priceless minutes of my life. Gal 6:17 From
henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord
Jesus. Brother Dean Flanders, Servant of Jesus Christ Here
is Wendy Howard Buester's response. Please note that she
gave Dean NO rebuke for equating demon possession in the process of Christian
victory. This is amazing from a lady who has dealt with demonic things in
the highest places of Ecumenical territory etc. Dear Dean,
That is some story! All I can say is that the whole emphasis on tongues
is just bizarre! Jesus Christ is the centre of my life, and tongues are just a
small, minor factor. I am a fundamental Christian who has been saved for 42 years,
I have spoken in tongues for thirty years, and it is just a small part of my life.
I am not Pentecostal or Charismatic, and do not accept either of these movements
or their doctrines as they stand today. The Scriptures, the precious Presence
of Christ Jesus, and the wonderful Life He fills me with is what thrills my soul.
On our Website are the first issues of "Beauty for Ashes", a handbook on the Holy
Spirit's working in our lives, three in number, fourth coming up soon. Maybe you
would take time to read these, and get back to me and we could discuss the contents?
Regards in Christ our Saviour, Wendy Howard, editor of
Despatch. Now, here is an exchange between
two other people. One, at least, is into The Great Dream cult.
You will have some questions as to what is happening here after you read, but
I trust you can start to get the bigger picture of the subtle guruism and subliminal
seduction of victims into this cynical new Charismatic hybrid.
Subject: Re: the great dream
thanks for the note. i was raised
as a baptist because that is what my mother's mother was. i am presently, and
have been for many years, undenominational. i have been turned off by the machinery
of churches that look for no more than a verbal decision and measure success by
a "body" count every sunday. i am currently not paying dues at any club. i have
opted to independently study scripture to form my thoughts and to be guided by
the spirit. i have a very tough time spiritually and in public life sometimes
as i feel satan flogs me mightily when i leave an opening. every time i feel i
am closing in on spiritual success, it seem the pressure is increased. i return
to the word and always find renewed strength and occasionally find a jewel such
as THE DREAM to aid me in my learning and defense. i feel that i can learn and
reinforce many of my thoughts with the scripture references. is this available
in printed form? i have a printer but, don't know how to use it very well. sometimes
it cuts off part of what i am trying to copy. i spent about six hours yesterday
studying on the computer and my eyes are sore. i am going to try again in a little
while. sometimes when i start studying i JUST can't STOP. blessings
mike.
Subject: Re: the great dream
Hello Michael,
I'm sure that Dean has already answered you, but I wanted to respond
as well. We are always looking for the fellowship of the brethren, and there aren't
many, as you can probably guess, that receive THE GREAT DREAM as warmly as you
have. We would like to get to know you. I hope that you will write again and tell
us a little about yourself. Richard
Subject:
the great dream downloaded your book. have read and studied the first
four chapters. great stuff. thanks for your effort in this area. i have been turned
off in the past when reading about "end times". may the lord bless you and your
ministry abundantly. mike
FIVE: I realize this has been a somewhat confusing presentation.
This is partly because I have used the actual E-Mail exchanges which are
somewhat cryptic. Also, the content is a bit scatter brained. But,
I trust you can see how these people have become cynical and self-destructive.
They have not peace, and they have little or no joy. This is arrogant
religion, and it follows old forms we have seen in the last 2000 years of the
devil's attack on the Lord's church and humanity in general. The thing that
is starting is that it is now hatching new in Charismania. A spirit
of despair has become institutionalized in Pentecostalism. This is no doubt
due to the horrible ugly picture presented by the mocking and laughing at the
Holy Ghost by Kenneth Copeland and Rodney Howard Browne. Our pages on the
Charismatic confusion tell stories of people having orgasms at the front of the
church house on the floor and vomiting of ectoplasm, and worse. Pentecostals
who see this, and who love the Lord, have become very depressed. Now, this depression
has gone on to be used by Satan to convince these who flee the Third Wave that
they are doomed to destructive religion. They hole up in their despair,
and they adopt it as a neo-monastic discipline for finding holiness and spiritual
power. I should think a godly saint would find it depressing just to have
to read about this. Now, imagine what it is like to be caught up in a formalized
doctrine of self-destruction. This is so sad.
Here are some counter observations: Historically, I call
your memory to Haiti. Here, pagan / Roman Catholics go into the forests
every year to roll in mud, be pounded by water falls, and generally afflict themselves
in all manner of physical pain. In India, Satan has convinced
many thousands of alleged "holy men" that self-inflicted pain and discomfort will
raise them closer to the Brahman consciousness and shorten their reincarnation
cycles. All manner of pain and deprivation is suffered to cancel out the
load of Karma they imagine they have built up. During the Dark Ages,
while the vilest forms of Roman Catholic superstition and idiocy prevailed, monasteries
and convents fairly bulged full of poor souls who entered those devil holes in
order to make all manner of self-imposed pain so that they could get a little
sense of holiness. They failed, but they kept at it and killed themselves
with pain in the effort. These three example are only a small fraction
of the total pain doctrine which Satan has foisted on humanity. The Aztecs
killed thousands of young men to appease the gods. Even Israel, in rank
backsliding, threw their babies into the fires of Mullock to gain holy power.
African endured the most heinous pain and terror from devils in order to
please Satan and their ancestors. Catholics today all over the world crawl
on bloodied knees up to stone statues of dead and mythical saints. The prophets
of Baal cut themselves to gain access to Baal's graces. So, now, in
these last days, Pentecostals and Charismatics are now hatching a new form of
this sadomasochistic perversion of Christian zeal. This is the old device
of Lucifer being re-packaged in our day. What does the
Bible teach us? You will recall that when Job was tested
by Satan, at God's permission, Job became depressed and cynical. God did
not commend Job for his self-destructive thoughts. God rebuked Job for this.
Job was not restored until he got back his confidence and joy.
Please read about the demoniac of Gaderra: Luke 8:26 And
they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city
a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode
in any house, but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he
cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to
do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
I note that the man had a head knowledge
of Jesus and knew how to pray to Him. 29 (For he had commanded
the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and
he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was
driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30 And Jesus asked
him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered
into him. 31 And they besought him that he would not command
them to go out into the deep. 32 And there was there an herd
of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer
them to enter into them. And he suffered them. 33 Then went
the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently
down a steep place into the lake, and were choked. 34 When
they that fed them saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city
and in the country. 35 Then they went out to see what was
done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed,
sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
In the story of Dean's alleged journey
to tongues power, he shared much with the demoniac in this story. This than
indicates that Dean was, and still is, demon possessed. If Dean were delivered
and empowered by the Holy Ghost, he would be in his right mind, not cynical and
self-destructive, AND looking forward to more of the same.
36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the
devils was healed. 37 Then the whole multitude of the country
of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken
with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again.
38 Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that
he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39
Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee.
And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things
Jesus had done unto him. Dean is confrontational
and talks of pain and trouble as has destiny in life. He threatens the reader
to be ready to be demon possessed if the reader wants spiritual power. Those
who are under the power of the Holy Spirit are publishing Good News everywhere,
now preaching pain and terror. Now, the same text in Mark:
Mark 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea,
into the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when he was come
out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean
spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man
could bind him, no, not with chains: 4 Because that he had
been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder
by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the
tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. Verse
4-5 sound so much like Dean's journey to alleged power and tongues speaking authority.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Dean claims to be born again and a worshipper
of Jesus Christ. So, the devils can worship Jesus, but do so in terror,
just like Dean tells us he did in the account above. Dean is probably NOT
born again. Dean is in the lap of Satan, and he needs to repent of his sin
of blaspheming the Holy Spirit and the salvation of Jesus Christ, which he makes
into a mockery of pain and rage. Dean is in trouble!
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou
Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
The Assembly of God leaders who chased
Dean around the church house and screamed and raged at the devils in Dean showed
that their sterile and pagan forms and rituals were only mere acts in the flesh.
Dean needs to go to Jesus Christ and surrender the tongues devils and ask
Jesus to cleanse him and save him from his sins. 9 And
he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for
we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not
send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there
nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter
into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the
unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently
down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked
in the sea. 14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told
it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that
was done. 15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was
possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his
right mind: and they were afraid. Dean
speaks of fear, fear, and more fear. God hath not given us a spirit of fear,
but of love, and of power, and of a sound mind. This is Paul's formula for
victory. Dean's smug ending is arrogant, and he leave off his discussion
by making it clear he intends to stay in the suffering mode of life so that he
can keep speaking in tongues. Hell and death are the destination of such
arrogance. 16 And they that saw it told them how it befell
to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.
17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.
Dean will soon be asking Jesus Christ to go
away and leave him alone unless Dean repents. 18 And when
he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him
that he might be with him. 19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him
not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things
the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
Dean NEVER mentions going to Jesus for His comfort
and compassion. This is 180 degrees off from Bible Christianity.
20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great
things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel. Dean
publishes horror, devil possession, terror, fear, arrogance, tough talk, and worse.
Dean does not know what the Good News is. He offers no hope for the
reader nor for himself. This is so sad. Worst
of all, in her reply above, Wendy Buester gave Dean no comfort, and she even seemed
to accept Dean's tale as a alternative Christian experience by her total lack
of rebuke and caution toward Dean. All she could muster was a vague hint
that she could speak in tongues and be serene indefinitely. Don't count
on it Wendy.
Conclusion:
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things
are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever
things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace,
whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
4 Trust ye in
the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall
give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine:
but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a
merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
Here is the victory statement. How unlike the
cynical prose of The Great Dream. How unlike the self-destructive Dean.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this
treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and
not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed,
but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the
life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live
are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might
be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but
life in you.
13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written,
I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also
by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
15 For all things are for your sakes,
that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the
glory of God.
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man
perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction,
which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight
of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things
which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things
which are not seen are eternal. Watch and pray
that ye enter not into temptation. Are you a Charismatic
who has been repulsed by the chaotic circus of Charismania? Are you getting
cynical about the Christian life? Maybe, like some of these we have noted,
you simply refuse to cast off the last devil-- Tongues Speaking. Will
you come 100% clean with Jesus Christ and be satisfied with FAITH? Will
you give up ALL self-gratifying experience doctrines, especially tongues speaking?
This may well be the last devil of all Charismatics and Pentecostals. This
devil must GO. This is not to imply that Jesus Christ will not give
you an experience base in your life, but you must be willing to take the ultimate
experience and leave it at that-- peace that passeth understanding. Comfort.
Rest in Christ. If you insist on going down front at the church house,
or even into you closet, and producing tongues speaking, then you may well spend
the rest of your life half whipped and defeated. Your self-will simply prevents
your having the peace and comfort that Jesus gives. A last thought
about Wendy Buester. She has done a a real service in ferreting out some
very sinister Satanic activity in high places among principalities and powers.
For this we are truly grateful, and we would not discourage this ministry.
We pray that she will finally set aside the devilish clinging to tongues
speaking, a gift which was terminated, as Paul prophecied in I Corinthians 13:8.
We pray that she might walk 100% by faith, trusting the King James
Bible and not experience. We pray that Dean will repent of
his lust for self-will and self-destruction-- that he might be found in Christ,
not having Dean's righteousness, which is a Satanic counterfeit. Let
us also pray for ourselves that we not be smug about our advantage in laying aside
the beggarly 1900 year elements of tongues speaking. What we may not see
is that Satan has a cookie for us all, and he watches for our every weakness.
None of us may assume we have arrived, for we all have work to do in our
personal walk with our Lord. LINKS: The
Great Dream MOTHER
FOOSE PREVAILS INDEED A
SECULAR NEW DREAM OF A BETTER WORLD BY MASS CONSENSUS
I believe Christendom's
dreamers ride piggy back on this secular view APOSTASY
NOW'S ANALYSIS OD
THE DREAM A
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