His Vision is used by Him To Justify War BY Charismania AGAINST the rest
man is deadly.
claims a vision, and in Charismania that demands respect higher than the Word
of God itself. Thus, if this war, civil war against the rest of Christendom,
is followed through by the groupies at Brownsville and Toronto, and around Charismania,
we are in for some hard times.
being everyone on the narrow way, which they hate with a passion. Here,
you find his vision, some other blabber in regard to interpretation, and some
criticism of him by those not so narrow, but frightened of him. I put all
I could find up rather than link to him because some of these flakes are now editing
or withdrawing their pages to cover their sins.
INSANITY ALERT: RICK JOYNER CLAIMS HE RECEIVED A
PROPHECY FROM GOD THAT IF THE PANTHERS WIN THE SUPER BOWL, GOD WILL SEND REVIVAL
TO AMERICA. THIS IS THE MAD HATTER WORLD OF CHARISMATIC PROPHECY. LISTEN
TO REPORT OF THE PROPHECY Move the scroll bar to 5:28 min. for the Joyner
In August of 1993,
I had a vision of the church. It was represented as an island in the middle of
a sea. There were many different types of buildings all over this island, each
of which I understood to represent a different denomination or movement. These
buildings seemed to clash with each other architecturally as there were very old
ones next to very modern ones. There was a war going on between many of the buildings,
and most of them looked like bombed out shells. People were still living in the
buildings, but most were starving and wounded.
There were two dark spirits over the island directing this war. One was named
Jealousy and the other one Fear. They congratulated each other every time one
of the buildings suffered damage, or people were wounded.
I then saw two powerful and frightening spirits rising over the sea. These became
storms. One was named Rage and the other Lawlessness. They were stirring up the
sea and causing great waves to crash onto the island. Soon these storms became
so large that they seemed even more threatening to the island than the war.
I felt that
the people in the city had to be warned about these storms, and several apparent
watchmen were trying to do this, but no one would listen to them. The people only
debated and argued about whether the watchmen should be trusted. This was remarkable
because anyone who just looked up could see the storms for themselves.
These wars had left so many people wounded that the hospitals were fast becoming
the largest buildings on the island. The hospitals were movements or denominations
that had given themselves to healing the wounded. As these grew, the other warring
factions had no respect for them as being a place where even their own wounded
were being cared for, but were instead more resolved to destroy them than the
As the war continued, even those who were not badly wounded had the appearance
of phantoms, or they became grotesquely deformed from the starvation and disease.
Anytime a building received a supply of food, which would attract people, it would
become a target. I could not comprehend how even a war could be so cruel-and this
was the church!
In the midst of the battle, men were still trying to add to their buildings, or
start new ones, but it was futile. Whenever one building would start to rise a
little higher than the others, or any time a new building was started, it would
become the main target of all of the other buildings, and it would quickly be
reduced to rubble.
I was then shown many powerful leaders who were conducting this war. All of them
had the same word on their forehead: "Treachery." I was surprised that anyone
would follow someone with that written on them, but they did. I was reminded of
Il Corinthians 11:20, "For you bear with anyone if he enslaves you, if he devours
you, if he takes advantage of you, if he exalts himself, if he hits you in the
However, there were people who appeared as lights in almost every building. These
lights refused to take part in the fighting, but spent their time trying to repair
the buildings, or nurse the wounded. Even though it was impossible to keep up
with the damage or the wounded, they did not stop trying.
It was also apparent that each of these lights had the power to heal wounds, and
that power was increasing as they worked. Those who were healed became lights
just like those who healed them. It was obvious that these individuals who were
committed to healing the wounded were now able to do more than the hospitals because
of the ruthlessness of the attacks on the hospitals. Understanding this, the hospitals
dispersed their people as "healing teams" which spread out across the island and
moved into many of the other buildings.
There were also many small camps around the perimeter of the island. Some of these
were involved in the war between the buildings, and seemed intent on trying to
destroy all of the buildings so that they could bring the people to their camps.
The leaders of these camps had the same word "Treachery" written on their foreheads.
were a few of these camps which were not involved in the war, and they too appeared
as lights. These were also growing in authority, but it was a different authority
than the healing powers that the others had. They had authority over events. They
were praying to stop small battles, and to keep small storms away, and it was
happening as they prayed.
The two spirits over the city and the two storms became very intimidated by these
small camps. I felt that these intercessory groups were actually close to having
the authority to stop the major battles and big storms, which were obviously the
source of agitation of these large spirits.
There were multitudes of boats and ships all around the island that were waiting
to enter the city as soon as the fighting stopped. Many of these boats were full
of refugees from other wars, and many were wounded. There were also ships bearing
kings, presidents and those who appeared wealthy and prosperous. These were all
afraid of the storms, but they could not enter the city because of the fighting.
Their groans and screams were so loud I was surprised that no one in the city
could hear them; no one even seemed aware that they were out there.
In His Wisdom
Then I saw
the Lord standing and watching. He was so glorious that I wondered why I had not
seen Him before, or why everyone in the city did not stop to worship Him. To my
amazement, no one was able to see Him. I then looked into the eyes of some of
the people, and they were all so "bloodshot" that I was surprised that they could
I then wondered why the Lord did not stop the fighting, and seemed content to
just watch. As if He had understood my thoughts, He turned and said to me, "This
is My church. These were the houses men tried to build for Me. I knocked on the
door of each one, but they would not open to Me. l would have brought peace because
I will only dwell in the city of peace."
Then He turned and indicated the people in the ships, saying: "If I allowed all
of these people to come to the city now they would just be used in the war. When
their cries become louder than the war, I will build a place for them."
Then He looked at me with great earnestness and said, "I allowed this to happen
so that it would never happen again!" It is hard to convey the power of this statement,
but it imparted to me a deep understanding that He allowed this conflict to continue
out of profound wisdom. He then said, "Until you understand this you cannot understand
what I am about to do.
When the cries of those in the boats became louder than the conflict in the city,
the Lord gave a command and the sea was released. Great tidal waves arose and
began to sweep across the island until they covered the buildings. The spirits
that were storms joined the spirits over the island, and they all grew to almost
double their previous size. Then the island completely disappeared under the darkness
of the spirits and the raging sea.
The Lord did not move as this was happening. I knew that my only protection was
to stand as close to Him as possible. I could not see anything but Him during
this great storm. As I looked at His face I could see both hurt and resolve.
House Of The Lord Is Built
Slowly, the storms died down and the tides receded. The individuals who were the
lights in the buildings emerged and remained standing where the buildings had
once been. Then the Lord, who had been on the edge of the island, moved to the
center and said, "Now I will build My house."
All of those who were lights started turning toward the Lord. As they turned,
they became even brighter, and each group was changed into a living pillar right
where they stood. Soon it became obvious that these pillars were the framework
of a building which would almost cover the entire island.
The pillars were different colors, shapes, nd sizes. It was hard to understand
how all of these, being so different, would work as a single framework. However,
the Lord seemed very pleased with each one, and they did eventually all fit together.
Then the ships and boats all started landing on the island. There were multitudes
of people. Each ship or boat was from a different country or race of people. Soon
I began to think that, even as large as it was, there were too many people for
the building. Then the Lord looked at me and said very sternly, "We will build
as many rooms as we need-no one will be turned away."
This was said so sternly that I resolved to never again consider turning people
away as an option. I also pondered how the biggest problem before was how to get
people to come to the buildings. Now the big problem was what to do with all of
When each ship arrived, the people on it were led straight to the Lord. He looked
into the eyes of each one and said, "If you trust Me, you will die for Me." When
one said, "I will die for You," He immediately thrust His sword right through
his heart. This caused very real pain. To those who tried to avoid the sword,
it was obviously even more painful. To those who relaxed, it did not seem to hurt
They were then taken to a cemetery with the words "Obscurity" over the gate. I
felt compelled to follow them. Those who had been stabbed were checked to see
that they were really dead before they were buried. Some clung to life for a long
time, and were laid off to one side. Quickly, those who were buried began to arise
as lights just like those who had survived the storm. I noticed that they were
not staying in their tombs the same length of time. Some of them arose before
those who were clinging to life were even buried.
When I first looked at this cemetery, it looked like a dreadful place, and I did
not think that it fit at all on this now glorious island. As I left the cemetery,
I turned to look back at it, and it looked beautiful. I could not figure out what
was different, when one of the workers said to me knowingly, "The cemetery has
not changed-you have."
I then looked at the building and it was even more glorious than I had remembered.
I then looked at the island and felt the same thing-it had become much more beautiful
I remembered the Scripture, "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of
His godly ones" (Psalm 116:15). The worker, who was still looking at me, then
said, "You have not died yet, but were changed just by being close to those who
have. When you die you will see even more glory."
Those who were emerging as lights from the cemetery were each being led to their
own place in the building, which would have their name on it. Some joined the
walls, others joined the pillars, some became windows or doors. They remained
people even after they became a part of the building.
I returned to the Lord's side. Standing in His presence was so wonderful I could
not imagine why anyone would not be willing to die for Him, but many of the people
coming from the ships did refuse. These would all back away from Him at the request.
Many of these went back to the ships, some of which left and some of which remained
in the harbor.
A few of the people who refused to die stayed on the island and were allowed to
walk about freely, and even enter the House of the Lord. They seemed to love and
bask in the glory of it all. Many of these began to shine with a glory too, but
they never had the glory within themselves-they only reflected what was coming
from the others.
As I was thinking that it was not right for these to be allowed to stay, the Lord
said to me, "My patience will win many of these, but even those that never give
me their lives, I love and am pleased to let them enjoy My glory. Never turn away
those who love My glory." These really did enjoy the house, and enjoyed the presence
of the Lord that radiated from the house, but they seemed timid, and retreated
when the Lord Himself came close to them.
I then watched as those who had refused to die for the Lord began to act as if
His house were their own, and had been built for them. I wanted to be angry at
their great presumption, but I could not feel anger even though I wanted to. I
then understood that it was because I was standing so close to the Lord that I
could not be mad. This forced me to make the decision to stay close to Him or
move away so that I could be angry.
I was surprised that this was a difficult decision, that I would even consider
wanting to move away from the Lord, but it honestly was. Out of fear at what was
arising within me, I stepped closer to the Lord. He immediately reached out and
grabbed me as if I was about to fall off of a cliff. As I looked behind me I was
astonished to find that I had been on the very edge of one, and had I taken that
step away from the Lord to feel the anger, I would have stepped off of it.
He then said
to me, "In this house I can tolerate presumption more than that anger. That anger
would start the war again." I was then overwhelmed with the knowledge that I had
not yet made the decision to die for Him either, and that I too had been presumptuously
feeling possessive of both the house and the Lord. When I saw this great evil
in my own heart I was appalled and immediately begged the Lord to destroy my evil
heart with His sword.
When the Lord pierced My heart, I was surprised to feel so little pain when it
seemed to have been so hard on others. He then said, "Those who request death
die easier." I remembered His statement in Matthew 21:44: "And he who falls on
this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whoever it falls, it will scatter
him like dust."
I did not remember being carried to the cemetery, but just as if no time at all
had passed, I was emerging from it again. Now the glory of every thing I saw was
unspeakable. I looked at a rock and loved it. I looked at trees, the sky and clouds,
and could not believe how wonderful they were. A sparrow seemed more glorious
than any bird I had ever seen. I wondered at the great treasure that this little
bird was, and why I had not appreciated him like this before.
I then looked at the presumptuous people. Not only did I feel no temptation to
be angry, I loved them so much I would have let each one pierce my heart again
if it would help them. I then began to think of how blessed I was to be able to
meet them and be with them. Now I actually wanted them to stay and could not even
comprehend how I was ever tempted to be angry at them-they were much greater treasures
than the sparrow!
Then the Lord stood next to me. Though I did not think it was possible, He was
much more glorious than before, and I was able to ear it. He said, "This is why
the death of My people is so precious to Me. Those who seek to save their life
always lose it, but lose who lose their life for My sake find true life. Now you
know true life because you know love."
I then looked at the house and all of those who composed it. Everything and every
one that I looked at seemed to stir up this eat feeling of love that was more
wonderful than anything I had ever felt before. I wanted to go look at or talk
to each one, but I did not want to leave the Lord's side, Whose presence was even
more compelling. Knowing my thoughts, he said, "You need never fear leaving My
side, because - have made My abode in you and I will be with you everywhere that
As I watched the presumptuous people, they were enjoying all of the blessings,
and even thought of themselves as the reason for them, but they really were not
even a part of what was being built. Having just been one of them I also knew
how shallow their enjoyment was, compared to what it could be, and a great compassion
came over me for them. As I continued watching these people, they gradually become
thinner in substance until they were just like the phantoms I had seen in the
city that had been destroyed. Again I thought of the Lord's words, "Those who
seek to save their life will lose it, but those who lose their life for My sake
will find it."
Then I looked at how the building kept getting higher, and the higher it went
the more glory it exuded and the further it could be seen. This resulted in even
more ships and people coming through the storms, which were still raging, but
seemed unable to affect the island. As I wondered how high the building could
get, the Lord turned to me again and, as if He were answering my thoughts, said,
"There is no limit to how high we can build this because I am the foundation and
love is the cement." This caused me to look at the cement, which was transparent
but radiated a great power. I wondered how I had not noticed this before; it was
now so obvious and captivating. I then started pondering how I seemed blind to
even the greatest wonders of this building until the Lord directed my attention
to them. This caused me to turn back to the Lord and to watch everything to which
He gave His attention.
The Lord then began looking at the people who now composed the building. As I
looked at them again I was immediately struck by the fact that they were more
than people-I knew that they were the "new creation" that had transcended this
creation. They had bridged the gap between the physical and spiritual realms,
and were clearly a part of both. They were unquestionably supernatural, which
did not mean that they were not natural, but were far more natural than anything
"natural" I had ever seen. They were more real than anything I had ever considered
"real." They made everything else seem like a shadow, and this sense increased
as they continued to change.
Soon the glory that was coming from them could be both seen and felt. The feeling
was not like a touch, but like an emotion. As I walked close enough to this
glory, it made me feel so good that the only way that I can describe it is like
a wonderful intoxication, not one that clouded the mind, but illuminated it. I
felt somehow ennobled, not with pride, but with a powerful sense of destiny. I
also felt a profound security, as if I were in complete harmony with the ground,
the air and especially the Lord and His house. This feeling was so good that I
never wanted to move again.
With the addition of each new boat load of people, the transformation of those
already a part of the building would continue, and the glory of the whole building
would increase and expand. This made everyone in the building greatly rejoice
with the coming of each new group of people.
When those who came from the cemetery took their place in the building, those
who were already a part tried to give the new ones their own glory. As they did
this, the glory radiating from the Lord would increase, and He would give even
more to those who had given their own glory away. Those who were the most devoted
to this sharing would be the ones used to start the next level of the house, which
kept going higher and higher.
I thought of how opposite this was from the jealousy which had prevailed previously
in the city. I then tried to ponder the jealousy to understand it more, but it
was almost impossible to do. Because I could no longer feel jealousy, I had a
difficult time even understanding what it was-it seemed as unreal as if it had
only existed in bad dreams.
The joy of sharing was so great that not doing it now seemed incomprehensible.
The more the glory was shared, the more each one received to share. This joy of
sharing was so great that I knew that all of us would be spending eternity just
seeking others with whom to share the glory. I had a strong sense of knowing that
the Lord would be creating many new worlds just for us to have new places to share
His glory. I then knew that this was why He had created the universe with such
diversity, and why He created it to continually expand at a rapid pace. Those
who touched His glory were touched by a love that had to share the glory, which
caused them to expand. He had given us the universe to share His glory with. He
had set in motion a glorious chain reaction that would never stop! There
were no limits on time or space, and we would need every bit of it!
The Storms Return
suddenly my attention was turned toward the storms that had continued to grow
in the sea. To my shock they had grown larger and faster than the house of the
Lord, and were now coming toward the island.
Great waves covered the island and the building disappeared from my view, even
though I was still very close to it. The fury of this storm was beyond comprehension,
but I felt no fear at all. I knew that it was because I had already died to this
world and had a life that could never be taken from me. As wonderful as the island
had become, I was just as happy to die physically so that I would be free to carry
the glory of the Lord to the rest of the universe that had so captured my attention.
It really would have been hard to choose to stay or go, so I just rested and waited.
the storms abated and the building then re-emerged. Both the building and the
island were much smaller, but even more glorious. Then I noticed that the storms
were just off shore and were returning. This happened several times, and each
time the building would emerge it would be smaller, but more glorious. Each time
that this happened the storms were also much smaller-they were wearing themselves
out on the island. Soon the storms could only generate small waves that posed
no threat of any real damage. The glory of the house was now beyond any human
Then the clouds dissipated altogether into the most beautiful sky I had ever seen.
As I gazed into the sky I began to realize that it was filled with the glory that
was being emitted from the house. As I looked at the house I was amazed that there
was no damage from the storm, though it was much smaller. Even so, the glory now
coming from the house was much greater than before, and was reflected by everything.
I felt that it was so great that it must already be extending far beyond the earth.
the vision changed and I was alone with the Lord. All of the great feelings were
gone - even the love. He looked at me earnestly and said, "The war is almost over.
It is time to prepare for the storms. Tell My people that no one with His brother's
blood on His hands will be used to build My house."
I was trying hard to listen to these words in order to heed them, while still
thinking about the great love I had felt. He then said, "This was a dream, but
it is real. You have known everything that I have shown you in this dream in your
heart. Now believe with your heart and My love will be real to you again. This
is your quest-to know My love."
general interpretation of this vision is obvious, but I do think that many of
the feelings that I had during this experience are an important part of the message.
at the different buildings which I knew represented denominations or movements,
the architectural clash was so striking that it was grotesque. It was as if they
were all so intent on being different that the most hideous skyline had been the
result. I could not imagine anyone who happened upon such a city having any desire
to enter it, even if the conflict was not taking place.
The church is doing much more damage to herself through infighting than the enemies
without are able to do. At that time I was consciously surprised that the Lord
did not intervene in this destructive fighting. Those who were fighting against
the other denominations, or movements, were all disqualified from being a part
of the house which the Lord built.
This reminded me of King David, who, because he was "a man of war and had shed
blood" (I Chronicles 28:3), was not allowed to build the temple of the Lord. This
did not disqualify David from salvation, or from being considered one of the great
men of God of all time. I felt that many true saints, and even great men of God,
were tragically disqualifying themselves from this most wonderful work of all
by becoming embroiled in this spiritual civil war. This even caused them to lose
the light that they had; only the peacemakers, and those who were trying to repair
and build instead of tearing down, radiated with light in this vision.
I think that it was significant that almost all, if not all, of these buildings
contained those who were true lights. These may appear as small lights now, but
they will be the foundation upon which the Lord will build His house.
Because the sea sometimes represents "mass humanity" in Scripture (see Revelation
17: 15), the multitudes are going to rise up in great waves which will destroy
much of the present, visible structure of the church. Those who are true lights
will not be swept away by the waves. Those who walk in truth have a foundation
which cannot be shaken.
The Lord's command to release the sea did not cause the sea to rise up, but just
removed that which was restraining it. The sea then came with fury against the
island, as if it were being controlled by a great hatred. I believe this represented
a great hatred against visible, institutional Christianity that will arise, and
the Lord will allow it to destroy these institutions.
When these great tidal waves had stopped, there were no Christian institutions
as represented by the buildings that men had constructed. However, all of the
real Christians remained. I do not think that it is wrong to keep trying to repair
these structures, as the Lord honored and preserved those who did, but this vision
affirmed deep within me the need to focus on building people, rather than trying
to build another institution that will be able to stand in these times - none
of them will stand.
Even though these present buildings were destroyed, they each contained those
who were to be pillars in His house. The house of the Lord was a brand new building,
but those who became the main supports in it came from almost every denomination
and movement. The Lord is "the wise Man who brings forth from His treasures things
both new and old." The Lord does have new wine to serve, but Isaiah 25:6 declares
that the Lord will also serve "refined, aged wine." The Lord will not use either
the old or the new, but both the old and new.
The Lord's house was built in the midst of the increasing storms of rage and lawlessness.
It radiated as an even greater light because of those storms. I was encouraged
that the Lord will build, on this earth, a church that really will reflect His
glory, and that this age will not end until He does.
It could not be any other way. Moses contended when the Lord threatened to destroy
Israel, that this would only leave the testimony that He could bring people out
of Egypt, but could not lead them into the Promised Land. The Lord will have a
testimony, through the church, that will last for all eternity. That testimony
will be that He not only can forgive the sins of His church, but He also has the
power and wisdom to deliver her from her sins, and make her into a glorious bride
without spot or wrinkle:
Now when Jesus came into the district of Ceasarea Philippi, He began asking His
disciples saying, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said,
"Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but others Jeremiah or one of
the prophets." He then said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living
God." And Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon
Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who
is in heaven. And I say to you that you are Peter ("a stone") and upon this
rock (a large rock or bedrock) I will built my church; and the gates of hell shall
not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:13-18).
Rick Joyner is the Executive Director of Morning Star Publications and is the
Editor of The Morning Star Journal and The Morning Star Prophetic Bulletin. He
is the author of several books including Harvest, There Were Two Trees In The
Garden, The Passover, The Harvest Trilogy, Leadership, Management and the Five
essentials For Success, The Journey Begins, The World Aflame, and The Final Quest
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This is a brief summary of a vision the Lord gave me about the coming harvest.
Lord willing I hope to publish the entire vision in the near future. I am distributing
this summary now because there are parts to it that have become very timely for
the body of Christ. I also have reason to believe this may be coming to pass much
sooner than I had previously considered.
To properly understand this vision you must keep in mind that it represents a
GRADUAL unfolding which takes place over a period of time, possibly many years.
Though I do not know the timing of these events, it is obvious that some are already
beginning to take place. Whether the complete unfolding takes five years or fifty
I do now know. I do know they will come as travail does upon a woman in labor.
That is, they will come in waves with relative calm in between. As we get closer
to the birth these "contractions" will become both more frequent and more intense
until they are constant. I also perceive that the timing of these events will
not be the same for all parts of the body of Christ.
Please let me include a caution. Much of this vision seems spectacular; its fulfillment
will be even more so. Some who are foreseeing these things have begun to question
works they are presently involved in as being irrelevant and destined to pass
away. I think there are many works that should be questioned in this manner with
or without the vision, but I know that many works which are destined to pass away
in this coming move are presently serving the purpose of God and helping to prepare
His way. I would question any drastic changes in direction caused by any vision.
This was given merely to aid and give confidence to the preparation He is already
working in His people. Do with all of your heart what He has given you to do.
If we are abiding in Him, the changes that are coming will be an exhilarating
fulfillment of His work, not its destruction. When the Lord fulfilled the Law
it did pass away, but it did so with glory. When Jesus fulfilled it, for the first
time its true purpose and all that it had accomplished was realized. Many works
will fade in this coming move, but they too will do so with great glory if they
were indeed His work.
In this vision I do not see beyond this harvest. I believe I somewhat understand
the unfolding plan of God beyond this but that is my interpretation of the scriptures.
As is was not given as a part of this vision I do not feel that it should be included
here. I believe that the scriptures verify this vision but I have included very
few here to leave room for the Lord to speak to those who receive it individually.
Lord has revealed to many of His prophets that there will soon be a great outpouring
of His Spirit. This revival will be greater than all those preceding it. This
vision includes key elements to this coming harvest and what the Lord is doing
in the church now to prepare for it.
This outpouring will ultimately result in some very radical changes for both the
church and the world. These need to be understood by those who would be used by
God for one of the greatest events in History. To those who are diligent seekers
of God and obedient to His will, this vision does not represent disruption. These
things will happen to them as a natural flow of the Spirit moving them to increased
light and intimacy with Him. Those that are comfortable and resist change will
have a very hard time. I ask you to openly and prayerfully reflect on what I am
herein sharing with you. Some of these things may not speak to you now, but I
believe they will in the future and will give you great peace and confidence as
you remember them.
For the coming harvest the Lord is preparing a great spiritual "fishnet", one
able to hold the catch that is coming. This net is formed by the linking together
of His people. The links in this net are the interrelationships of His people.
The stronger the intercommunication and interrelationships, the stronger this
net will be. It in not only happening in the local churches among members, but
between ministries and congregations throughout the world. In Ephesians 4:15-16,
we see this principle: "...we are to grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the
Head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by
that which every JOINT supplies...." A joint is not a part, but it is where two
or more parts come together. There is a great fitting together going on in the
Spirit now and it will increase in the near future, on all levels.
The Spirit is compelling pastors to get together with other pastors, prophets
with prophets, apostles with apostles, and even whole congregations are beginning
to visit and interrelate with other congregations apart from their own circles
of emphasis. This is the Lord's doing. Some of these meetings may seem fruitless
because of improper agendas but they will bear fruit, there will be links made.
Soon the Lord's presence in these meetings will melt all presumption and the facades
which separate us from union with Him and each other. His presence will stimulate
a worship that brings about Psalm 133 unity - as we anoint the Head with our worship
the oil will flow down to the edge of His robes - covering the entire body.
He is beginning
this breakdown of barriers with the leadership because this is where most originate
and where they are the strongest. As the walls come down here the entire body
will begin to flow together. If the leaders resist this move the Lord will continue
through the congregations. These will begin to relate to other members of the
body of Christ and their bonds will grow stronger regardless of the resistance
or warnings of their pastors. Some pastors and leaders who continue to resist
this tide of unity will be removed from their place, Some will become so hardened
they will become opposers and resist God to the end. Most will be changed
and repent of their resistance.
Because on the magnitude of the "catch" this net will be rent many times and will
be in need of constant mending. Much of the discord now taking place in the church
is used by the Lord to prepare those whose task in the harvest will be almost
exclusively devoted to the mending and binding of this great net. These peacemakers
will have a great part in building this net and have a major impact on the effectiveness
of the entire revival. Those that seem to always find themselves in the middle
of conflicts should be encouraged with the knowledge that they are being prepared
for a great work.
Some that were used greatly of God in the past have become too rigid in doctrinal
emphasis, or are too entangled with spiritual "Ishmaels", to participate in this
revival. Some of these will try to join the work but their interrelationships
will be so superficial that they will quickly be torn from the net with the first
catch. Those who are linked together by doctrine or who gather around personalities
will quickly be torn away. Only those who are joined by and through Jesus alone
will stand the pressure this harvest will bring upon the church. (Col. 1:17).
The redemption of so many will bring much joy but they will come with problems
which bring enormous stress to congregations and ministers. The cords of unity
must be very strong to stand this pressure. Those who have not learned to take
the Lord's yoke, and not try to carry the burdens themselves, will be overwhelmed.
Entering the Sabbath rest of the Lord will become a major emphasis in preparation
for the harvest. Heed this word!
A large number who are now considered Christians, even spirit- filled Christians,
have never been led to the Lord. They were led to the church, to a personality,
or to a doctrine or emphasis. Some of these will think they are important links
in the net but will actually become part of the harvest, starting over again on
the proper Foundation -- Jesus. This group includes many well known ministers
and pastors. Their humility in this will lead multitudes to question and strengthen
their own relationship to the Lord. This will strengthen and encourage the entire
body of Christ.
Many denominations, extra-local fellowships and circles of emphasis will begin
disbanding and severing those ties, even those that were ordained by God for a
season, in order to take their place in this great net that the Lord is now forming.
For some these ties will just be ignored or forgotten until they have passed away,
almost without notice, because of the greater intensity and substance of this
new move. For others it will be a very painful rending as they are persecuted
and rejected by those who do not understand. Those who are required to leave much
behind will soon receive many times that which they have left.
Some leaders will actually disband their organizations as they realize they are
no longer relevant to what God is doing. Others will just leave them behind to
disband of themselves. Ultimately, all circles of ministry or influence with individual
identities will dissolve into a single identity of simply being Christians for
all who become part of this harvest. Single presbyteries will form over cities
and localities. These will be made up of pastors and leaders from all different
backgrounds. Their unity and harmony in purpose, as well as that of the various
congregations, will become a marvel to the world. The Lord will give these presbyteries
great wisdom and discernment but there will be no doubt that Jesus alone will
be the Head of His church. What is coming will be bigger than any man or council
of men could control or administrate.
The Lord's purpose in preparing for the harvest is to JOIN, not separate. The
dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works will be a positive and
exhilarating experience for the Lord's faithful servants. They will not be just
leaving something behind, they will be going on to a much greater work. Those
who have fallen to worship the work of God more than the God of the work will
have trouble, but most of these too will be set free by the tremendous anointing
that is coming. Those that feel called to attack and tear down the old will not
be sent from the Lord. There will be many "stumbling blocks" circulating in the
church that will cause confusion and some destruction from time to time. They
will perceive themselves as prophets sent to judge and deliver. Those serving
in leadership must trust their discernment and REMOVE the stumbling blocks.
To be distinguished
from the "stumbling blocks," the Lord will raise up a great company of prophets,
teachers, pastors and apostles that will be of the spirit of Phinehas. Just as
the son of Eleazar could not tolerate iniquity in the camp of the Lord, this "ministry
of Phinehas" will save congregations, and at times, even whole nations, from the
plagues that will be sweeping the earth. They will be moved by the jealousy of
the Lord for the purity of His people. They will be sent to save and preserve
the work of the Lord, not tear down as the stumbling blocks so fashion themselves.
a time, there will be such an inflow of people that even this great net cannot
hold them all. Many of the former works and organized churches will be swelled
with this overflow. Because of this they will assert that they are both the cause
and primary purpose for this revival. This delusion will not last long because
concurrent with the harvest there will be gripping tribulation in the world which
will eventually consume them. This is the judgement of the Lord against the works
He did not commission: The great "sea," or mass of humanity, that they sought
to rule, will rise up to destroy them.
Wars will increase. There will even be some nuclear exchanges but on a limited
basis, mostly between third world nations. Far more will perish by plagues and
natural disasters than by wars during the period of this vision. The very foundations
of civilization will shake and erode. Even the world's most stable governments
will be melting like wax, losing authority and control over their populations.
Eventually it will be hard to find anyone with the courage to assume authority.
This will cause sweeping paranoia throughout the entire earth. Huge mobs will
attack everything in their path. The infra-structure of the great denominational
churches and large visible ministries will be one of their primary targets and
will vanish almost overnight. Pagan religions, cults and witchcraft will spread
like plagues but these will also become targets of the mobs. By this time governments
have broken down to the point where lynchings and mass executions perpetrated
by these mobs are ignored by the authorities. Fear and deep darkness cover the
earth, but this just makes the glory which is appearing upon the saints more striking.
Huge masses of people will be streaming to the Lord, the inflow so great in places
that very young Christians will be pastoring large bodies of believers. Arenas
and stadiums will overflow nightly as the believers come together to hear the
apostles and teachers.
At this time few congregations remain separate or individual entities. Many elders
and pastors may be stationary but groups they oversee will be constantly changing.
some of these are moving on because of persecution and others because the Lord
scatters them to carry His message abroad like seed. Near the end (of the vision)
the body of Christ is like a great flowing river sweeping about as freely as the
wind. One day there may be meetings in a public auditorium or stadium, the next
day in a park, and continually from house to house. Great meetings that stir entire
cities will happen spontaneously. Extraordinary miracles will be common while
those considered great today will be performed almost without notice by young
believers. Angelic appearances will be common to the saints and a visible glory
of the Lord will appear upon some for extended periods of time as power flows
Conferences of apostles, prophets, pastors, elders, etc.. will be called and used
greatly by the Lord, but without denominating and separating from the rest of
the body. Their unity will be in Jesus and He alone will be the Head of His church.
Eventually, The Lords presence will be so great during this revival that, like
the twenty-four elders in Revelation, all crowns will be cast at His feet and
spiritual presumption will be unthinkable. Those in leadership without calling
will be apparent to all. The leaders of this move will be true servants, not interested
in reputation or position. Their humility will open them to become channels for
wave after wave of living water. "He will dwell with the humble of the land."
harvest will be so great that no one will look back at the early church as a standard;
all will be saying the Lord has certainly saved his best wine for last. The early
church was a firstfruits offering, truly this will be a harvest! It was said of
the Apostle Paul that we was turning the world upside down; it will be said of
the apostles soon to be anointed that they have turned an upside down world right
side up. Nations will tremble at the mention of their name. These men and women
of God will take little notice of their own accomplishments because of their recognition
of His accomplishments. Like Jesus, they will flee to the mountains when men try
to make them kings or exalt them in any way. Their exaltation or authority will
not come through man, it will only come from above. As the masses will be seeking
anyone to take authority during these times, this comes as a warning! If the people
make you king, who rules? The authority that the Lord will establish will be very
different than what even His own people now perceive. Do not try to rule, just
SERVE. Through this His authority will flow and begin to bring order thought Peace.
I do not believe
the actual magnitude of these events can be expressed here, neither the chaos
nor the move of the Holy Spirit.As to the "rapture" or second appearance of the
Lord Jesus, I have my own ideas but was not given anything concerning them in
this vision. What I was allowed to foresee ended with increasing chaos and increasing
There will be words and exhortations, originating from the very throne of the
Lord and carrying great authority; coming to prepare His church for the days to
come. Not to presume this will be all that He will be saying, but I believe we
will soon hear His prophets and teachers begin to emphasize the following:
1. BUILD UPON THE
ONLY FOUNDATION THAT CAN BE LAID. JESUS HIMSELF. Works that are built upon truths
instead of The truth will not stand in this day. Many congregations and ministries
are today devastated by the slightest shaking. The works that are properly built
on Jesus will with stand the greatest trials and attacks without being moved.
There will be a great emphasis on the Lord Jesus Himself in the days to come.
The increasing revelation of Him will overshadow the many emphases of the past
like the sun does the moon when it rises. The truths that have been such a distraction
will begin to seem insignificant as the church begins to see Him "in whom are
hidden ALL of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Col. 2:3)
2. REMOVE THE BARRIERS AND FACADES THAT SEPARATE US FROM THE LORD AND EACH OTHER.
We must become more intimate with Him, and through Him, each other. Spiritual
pride and the exaltation of men, individual truths, or works, will soon be understood
as "strange fire". Those who continue to offer it will perish from the ministry
with such demonstration that a pure and holy fear of the Lord will sweep the body
of Christ. This will help the church to move into true spiritual worship and a
unity that is based on that worship.
3. ABIDE IN THE SABBATH REST OF THE LORD. This will become an increasing emphasis
in the teaching and a reality as the Lord enters His temple, the church. Our growing
intimacy with Him will bring a peace that will actually calm the storm of the
rising sea of humanity. The intensity of the times will overwhelm any pseudo peace.
We must be one with the "Lord of the Sabbath."
4. HEED THE SPIRITUAL PREPARATION WHICH MAY BE REFLECTED IN THE NATURAL. For example:
Some have begun moving their assets into precious metals or land. This may be
helpful, but it is far more important to take the spiritual land an to lay up
our treasures in heaven. The Lord is seeking givers who will become channels of
His supply. For them there will not be any lack. Those that hoard or do not learn
to freely give may suffer increasing crisis in their earthly affairs. This is
the Lord's discipline to set them free. Some who are faithful and generous givers
may also experience increasing crisis in this, but it is for their preparation
to be great channels for the provision of many. Remember Joseph!
Some are feeling they should limit their travel to certain areas and are beginning
to emphasize cleanliness because of the AIDS epidemic. This may be helpful, but
there is only one deliverance from the judgments of God - to be found in Christ.
Spiritual purity is far more important than the natural and can alone protect
us from AIDS or any other plague.
5. "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH," NOT FEAR. Fears will greatly increase in the
world. Actions taken by the church because of fear will almost always prove destructive.
Some "faith teaching" has muddied the waters to the degree that some do not even
want to hear the word "faith." This frequently happens before the Lord begins
a great work. A great revelation of true faith is coming; it will be an essential
revelation for us to serve in these days. Some will be called to walk where angels
fear to tread. KNOW that He who is in us is MUCH greater than he who is in the
world. The vessels He is now preparing will walk in a boldness and confidence
that will astonish a world gripped in fear. Our faith will grow as the presence
of the Lord increases. True faith is the recognition of the One in whom we believe.
When one truly and properly fears the Lord He will not fear anything else.
In the coming
days many will exist in the miraculous in a continual basis. This will become
as natural to them as the gathering of manna was to Israel. Some of the Lord's
exploits on behalf of His people will be UNPRECEDENTED, exceeding the greatest
biblical miracles. These will seem almost normal as they take place because the
presence of the Lord will cause more wonderment than his works. He will be very
close to His people in these days.
6. THE LORD WILL SOON OPEN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF HIS WORD AND PURPOSES TO A DEPTH
BEYOND OUR PRESENT COMPREHENSION. The "books" are yet to be "opened" as they will
be. When they are our understanding of even basic truths, such as salvation, being
born again, etc.. will be enormously increased. This will give far more substance
and depth of purpose to the entire body of Christ. the functions of the gifts
and ministries will come with increasing authority and power as their confidence
increases with knowledge. The spiritual dimension will become more real to the
church than the natural. When the proper Foundation has been adequately laid in
the church (our union and devotion to Jesus Himself) the Spirit of Revelation
will be poured out as never before.
Joyner has assured me that he did not mean what I thought he meant in his article
on the coming Civil War in the church. However, despite my respect for Rick, I
believe that this issue surely has to be the most critical that has faced the
church in recent decades. Does God really want the prophetic movement "taking
sides" in the coming conflict? And is this Civil War really a good thing, or will
it be the most colossal disaster that has befallen the church in centuries? In
New Zealand, God has given us very strong prophetic warnings regarding this whole
issue, and this is what will be discussed in this article.
For at least ten years now, particularly in the American prophetic movement, God
has been warning of the great 'Civil War' that would soon split and shake His
church. A number of prophetic ministries have been given dreams and visions likening
this coming great con- flict in the church to the American Civil War of last century,
was fought between the Union in the North (the Blues) and the Confederacy in the
South (the Grays). In these dreams and visions of the coming war in the church,
God has also likened one side to the 'Grays' and one side to the Blues. Many prophets
have interpreted this to mean a conflict between those who are distinctly 'head-knowledge'-
oriented Christians, and those who are distinctly 'Spirit'-oriented. (This certainly
seems a logical conclusion). No doubt there have always been tensions between
these two extremes in the church, but this time it will be all-out war.
However, God has also warned very strongly that those who take part in this conflict
will be excluded from the great Revival that is to follow immediately after this
colossal 'shaking'. One very well-known vision, which was quoted by Rick Joyner
in his article, was given to Philip Elston several years ago. In it, he saw Jesus
standing with arms outstretched. Soldiers in blue and gray uniforms were marching
past Him on either side, and were laying their bloody swords on His arms. The
Lord resolutely looked into the eyes of each one, saying, "NO-ONE WHO HAS
THEIR BROTHER'S BLOOD ON THEIR SWORD WILL BE USED TO BUILD MY HOUSE."
It is well-known around the world that civil wars are usually the most bitter,
destructive and ugly conflicts that it is possible to have. Brother against
brother, fathers, cousins and countrymen consumed with murderous enmity
one against the other. What a nightmare! (As we have seen recently in Rwanda and
Bosnia). One thing I certainly do agree with in Rick Joyner's article is his statement
that: "This will, in fact, be one of the most cruel battles the church has ever
faced. Like every civil war, it will cause brother to turn against brother like
we may have never witnessed in the church before... What is coming will be dark.
At times Christians almost universally will be loath to even call themselves Christians.
Believers and unbelievers alike will think that it is the end of Christianity
as we know it, and it will be."
He then goes on to say that: "Through this the very definition of Christianity
will be changed, for the better." I am afraid that, due to the strong prophetic
warnings God has given us in New Zealand, I simply cannot go along with that last
However, I certainly do believe that we are headed for a great splitting and shaking
of the church (in fact, I believe that this will be a form of JUDGEMENT upon today's
Laodicean church). But I just cannot go along with the idea that the prophetic
movement is to actively participate or "take sides" in this conflict, or that
this Civil War is some marvellous thing that we should all be looking forward
to in the church. The idea that we should join in with this war, to try and drive
the "Accuser of the brethren" out of other Christian groups in this way, frankly
strikes me as being one of the most disastrous and ill-advised courses of action
that I have ever heard.
But what are we to think when we read things like: "...it was time to straightforwardly
warn the church, and to begin preparing for this great war with the resolve to
fight until there was a complete victory. The definition of a complete victory
in this war would be the complete overthrow of the Accuser of the Brethren's strongholds
in the church... This battle must be fought. It is an opportunity to drive the
accuser out of the church..." (- From 'Civil War in the Church', published May,
1996). I am afraid I simply cannot agree with any of this. Surely it is obvious
that all that would be accomplished by such a brutal, all-out conflict is that
the church would literally tear itself apart? And aside from a whole raft of crushed
and damaged Christians, what would be the real fruit of such a War?
Before I go on to discuss what God has been showing us here in NZ, I would just
like to briefly discuss my own background. I am a Spirit-filled, tongues-speaking
believer, and have been involved with the Charismatic movement now for some years.
I am also a great believer in the coming end-times Revival, and through my writings
on this subject I have come into contact with hundreds of praying and prophetic
groups and individuals across New Zealand. My wife and I are also modern musicians
who write our own songs, and we have been clearly directed towards "Sons of Thunder"
type music ministry for about ten years now. I am also a Revival historian, and
have been studying Revival and Reformation history for about twelve years. I am
currently Editor of the New Zealand Revival Bulletin, which is a national prophetic
There have been a large number of dreams and visions given to prophets and intercessors
in New Zealand regarding the coming move of God. (Many of these are covered in
my book, "The Coming Great Reformation"). Like elsewhere around the world, they
have often spoken of the great 'shaking', division and Reformation that are about
to come upon the church. One vision which relates particularly well to our present
discussion, was given to a local intercessor (whom I know personally) early in
1995. In this vision, she saw the waters being parted, just as Moses parted the
sea. The words that she was given to describe what she was seeing were: "TWO CHURCHES".
In other words, what she was witnessing was the dividing of the current church
into two distinct 'churches' or movements. For a time, while the gap between the
two sides was still relatively small, Christians were easily able to jump from
side to side. However, as the gap widened, this became more and more difficult,
and eventually the only way people could get from one side to the other was to
jump into the deep rift itself (the sides of which now looked like huge 'cliffs'
of water), to be hauled up by people on the other side. Significantly, this intercessor
was given the strong impression that the catalyst for this great rift was to be
the 'Toronto blessing' movement.
Certainly, I have noticed a far more "militant" mood amongst the 'Spirit'- oriented
believers since Toronto has swept through the church. There seems to be a lot
more talk of aggressive mobilisation and aggressive defence of the movement against
those who oppose it. This hardening of attitude has also coincided with a similar
hardening on the other side. Many of the 'conservative', evangelical-type Christians
seem to have been particularly appalled by Toronto, and have become quite bitter
in their opposition. So we can see that conditions for a Civil War in the
church have indeed been greatly advanced by 'Toronto' (and I guess by 'Pensacola'
also, which is closely related). For to have a civil war, it is necessary for
BOTH SIDES to become quite "militant" in their stance, one against the other.
all of this in mind, I just want to take a look now at one of the most important
reasons that God has shown us, why we should not even consider lifting our hands
against opposing leaders or organizations in the church (even if they are considered
'Saulish' by nature). The well-known lesson that God has very strongly pointed
us to is found in the story of David and Saul. In those times, just like today,
there was a 'new move of God' - a golden era for Israel - on the horizon. This
new era would begin when the new leadership (ie. David) was finally raised up
and recognized as the true leader of God's people. Remember, king Saul had already
been rejected by God as leader, and David had been anointed by the prophet to
take his place. But did David then try to wrest control of Israel away from Saul?
Did he try to attack Saul and bring about this new golden era himself? No! In
fact he did the very opposite.
David refused to lift his hand against Saul in any way. He still regarded Saul
as being the "Lord's anointed", God's chosen leader, right up until the time that
GOD HIMSELF acted to completely annul Saul's kingship (by allowing him to be killed
in battle against Israel's enemies). In other words, David waited until SAUL WAS
DEAD - in God's perfect timing - before he made any move toward taking up the
leadership of Judah and Israel. HE NEVER FOUGHT SAUL AT ALL - FOR THE KINGDOM
OR FOR ANYTHING ELSE. For he knew that to do so would have been REBELLION, and
would have been pre-empting what God was wanting to do. In fact, it is my belief
that if Davidhad raised his hand against Saul, then he would have proved himself
unworthy of the leadership of Israel, and would have disqualified himself because
of it. God never sanctions rebellion, and this was obviously a very crucial test
During his years of waiting, David suffered greatly in many ways. He was
slandered, misunderstood, hunted like an animal, forced to live in caves in the
wilderness, etc. And NOT ONCE did he raise his hand against Saul, even under the
pretext of "liberating" the people of Israel who were being ruled by Saul. It
is my belief that today, anyone who raises their hands against opposing leaders
or groups, or participates in a 'Civil War' against them at this time, is falling
into this self-same trap, and will disqualify themselves from taking part in the
coming move of God. This is clearly what the vision that we discussed earlier
is saying: "NO-ONE WHO HAS THEIR BROTHER'S BLOOD ON THEIR SWORD WILL BE USED TO
BUILD MY HOUSE."
I now want to share with you something else, of a slightly "unusual" nature, which
God has also pointed out to us as a strong prophetic warning on this subject.
Strangely enough, 1995 was by far the most unusual year for New Zealand sport
in living memory, with massive 'shaking' or Reformation being visited upon three
of our top national sports during that time in an unprecedented period of crisis
and change. Uncannily, as God pointed out to me, much of this 'shaking' and Reformation
was almost identical to what God had been telling us was about to come upon His
church. And interestingly, in two of these sports, the concept of 'Civil War'
was right at the centre of what occurred.
The two sports that I am referring to here are Rugby Union (played right around
the world) and Rugby League (played mainly in England, Australia and New Zealand).
These are very big sports, especially in the Southern Hemisphere. In early 1995,
it was announced by Robert Murdoch's News Corporation that they were launching
a new rebel League competition (because they didn't have broadcast rights to the
existing one), which would be called "Superleague". They immediately began
signing up many of the best Rugby League players around the world, even though
most of them in Australia and New Zealand still had contracts with the existing
competition. What resulted from this was a literal 'Civil War' in Rugby
League, with two giant media moguls fighting for control of the sport's best players,
and much bitterness and ill-will on both sides. All of this was played out in
the full glare of the media spotlight, and it has done terrible harm to the sport
as a whole. Right now, Rugby League is still split irrevocably into two camps,
with ongoing legal nightmares, and players in Britain beginning to defect to Rugby
Union because of better conditions. For a sport that was doing so well, and beginning
to make big inroads in NZ, this Civil War has been an absolute disaster, and things
are already beginning to look very grim for the long-term survival of League as
a truly leading sport in some areas. (In fact, you could almost say it has
been suicidal - different limbs of the same body tearing murderously at one another).
in Rugby Union, 1995 was literally the most revolutionary and crisis-stricken
year in the sport's long history. Rugby Union had always been one of the last
really big 'Amateur' sports, but because of the perceived threat of "Superleague",
it suddenly went Professional almost overnight in 1995, securing a multi-million
dollar TV deal and speeding up the pace of the game with rule changes, etc. In
New Zealand (arguably the best Rugby nation in the world at the moment), they
also revolutionised the entire top administration (which was old and stodgy),
getting rid of twelve men, thus leaving only seven (plus two business advisors)
on the national council. They also appointed John Hart, the most innovative man
they could find, as national coach. All of this has led to a truly 'golden era'
for Rugby in the Southern Hemisphere.
However, Rugby Union also came very close to 'Civil War' in 1995 (which would
have ruined everything, just like it has in League). Just as Rugby Union
was turning Professional, another rebel group (the World Rugby Corporation) came
along, and began to sign up all the leading Rugby Union players around the world,
offering them better money, etc. Just like the rebel Superleague, for a long time
it looked as though this new rebel Rugby Union competition would succeed, and
would capture all the best players. But right at the last moment, the whole thing
began to unravel, and the players eventually crawled back to the Union (just in
time). If this new rebel competition had succeeded (as it very nearly did), there
would no doubt have been all-out 'Civil War' in Rugby Union, just like in Rugby
League, and the damage would likewise have been suicidally crippling and severe.
The sport would probably have taken years to recover (if at all). But instead,
Civil War was narrowly averted, and traditional old 'Amateur' Rugby Union was
able to revolutionise itself so completely in the space of just one year, that
it has entered what many regard as a glorious new "golden era". So who needs a
Civil War? (Please note that it was the 'rebellious' movements who were responsible
for starting these destructive conflicts).
To me, the lessons that God has been trying to show us in pointing to the above
examples are pretty obvious. Civil Wars of any kind are extremely damaging and
debilitating. Do we really need to tear the church apart with this kind of bitter
public infighting, in order to see Revival come to the church? I don't think so!
In fact, I believe that such a Civil War is far more likely to be a form of "JUDGEMENT"
upon the church, and upon all who participate in it, rather than anything positive.
If there is a Civil War in the church, I am convinced that those who participate
in it will have no part whatsoever in the coming move of God. Surely it makes
sense that God would give all these visions of the coming Civil War as a WARNING,
not as some kind of invitation to participate in it!?
Frankly, I have to say that I have been very disappointed that the American prophetic
movement has seemingly advocated "taking sides" in the coming conflict. To me,
this seems the height of irresponsiblity, and it alarms me greatly. I have to
say also, that there are a number of factors associated with the prophetic movement
in America that have disturbed me for some years now. I don't know how well my
words will be taken over there, but I do believe that these issues are
important enough to risk raising them at this time. Sometimes an outsider's view
can be of value, but I do apologise in advance for any offence caused by what
I am about to say.
It seems to me that there are some very profound differences between the way the
prophetic movement is set up in America, and the way it functions in other parts
of the world. In America, there seems to be a very strong perception amongst friend
and foe alike, that the prophetic movement there is so closely aligned with one
particular denomination that they might almost be considered to be one movement.
Surely this would have to be seen as a very unhealthy state of affairs for any
truly 'prophetic' group.
How on earth can your words be taken as "impartial" when you are seen to be so
closely aligned with the views and teachings of one particular stream or denomination?
Is this what God really wants? I am by no means part of the "Anti-Vineyard"
brigade, but is it really desirable to have a prophetic movement that is seen
by many to be more of a mouthpiece for the Vineyard movement than an impartial
mouthpiece for God? I am sorry if I am offending you, but I frankly find it incredible
that such a movement could see this as an acceptable state of affairs. And I also
believe that, as always, there will be subtle pressure in such a situation, not
to be too critical or too analytical about some of the teachings or practices
that are associated with the 'related body'.
It is my belief that this unhealthy association with one particular stream has
already affected the way that some issues have been examined by the American prophetic
movement over the last few years or so. Elsewhere in the world, this is not the
case, and other prophetic movements are free to analyse such issues without any
perceived bias one way or the other. But how can the same be said of the American
prophetic movement? As I said before, this apparent partiality surely has to be
seen as a most debilitating weakness in any movement of this kind. Prophets are
supposed to be beyond reproach in the area of impartiality. They are supposed
to be the "eyes", the watchmen of the church. Surely this can only be harmed when
there is a perceived bias in favour of one particular (controversial) stream of
One thing that has struck me repeatedly about the American prophetic scene is
the seemingly never-ending talk about the problem of 'legalism' and Pharisee-type
religion in the church. Certainly, this has been a problem (I have written detailed
warnings about it myself in the past). But honestly, do we really need to go on
and on about it, like some broken record or an endless tape loop? Surely
we would have to be kidding ourselves if we thought that this was the major problem
facing the 'Laodicean' church? I just cannot go along with the idea that it is
"the control spirit, the political spirit and the religious spirit" that are largely
responsible for the sick and tepid state of today's lukewarm Christianity. This
is certainly not what the Bible says. The Scriptures are very clear as to what
the major problems of the Laodicean church are: "... because you are lukewarm,
and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth. Because you say, 'I
am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing'... BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE,
AND REPENT" (Rev 3:16-19).
It seems beyond dispute to me that the major problems of the Laodicean church
are compromise, lukewarmness and materialism, etc, rather than some kind of 'control'
spirit or pharisaical attitude. And when the Bible speaks of the "last days",
it warns again and again of seducing spirits, 'lying signs and wonders', great
deception amongst Christians (arising from within the church), etc. Surely
any truly 'prophetic' movement in the last days would be warning strongly of such
dangers? But we don't seem to be hearing many warnings about these things from
today's prophetic movement, do we? Could it be that it is more "politically correct"
in the Vineyard to attack legalism and domination, but not 'lying signs and wonders'
or similar deception?
Surely it is obvious that if we live today in the age of the 'Laodicean' church,
then we should be emphasising what Jesus Himself emphasised: The desperate need
for REPENTANCE from today's "bless-me, bless-me" Christianity, and from the insipid
compromise and 'love of pleasures' that dominate so much of today's church. Does
"taking up the cross" not mean what it says any more?
It is a well-known fact that over-emphasising certain doctrines or teachings can
lead to a very unbalanced Christianity. If you are over-balancing in the direction
of 'legalism', then your preaching will cause heaviness and condemnation in people.
On the other hand, if you are constantly preaching AGAINST legalism, and instead
tending to strongly emphasise 'liberty' and grace all the time, then your preaching
will result in the opposite problem: The people will tend towards 'casting off
of restraint', license, and a spiritual "fun/party" atmosphere. Sin and holiness
will be deemphasised, and touchy-feely 'experiences' will tend to come to the
fore. (This is simply a logical result of such teaching). Sound familiar,
anyone? This kind of inbalance is surely just as serious and just as damaging
as the 'legalistic' type of extreme. They are both at opposite ends of the
scale, but as history clearly demonstrates, such inbalance in any direction can
be absolutely fatal for God's people.
To get back to our original theme of 'Civil War' once again, a friend of mine
who is a well-known prophet in Australia, was given a very significant vision
in 1995. In it, he saw a giant army snaking through the jungle. At it's head was
the banner, "Joel's Army". Meanwhile, off in the jungle by itself was a battalion.
It stood, waiting. This battalion was in the shape of a great square, and at it's
head was a banner: "Gideon's Army". It was much smaller than the first. It seemed
evident that Joel's Army was going to war, but that Gideon's Army had yet to receive
it's marching orders.
It is interesting to note that the Scriptures openly declare Joel's Army to be
an army of LOCUSTS, which sweeps through immediately prior to the genuine Revival,
devouring and destroying every good thing in the land. First comes this great
army of locusts devouring everything, then God drives the locusts away and sends
a great Revival, followed by a great outpouring of His Spirit "upon all flesh".
(If you don't believe me, just read the book of Joel for yourself. It is very
clear. There can simply be no dispute about it). So why are we being told that
joining up with Joel's Army is such a desirable thing?
Another very significant dream was given to a local prophet (whom I know personally)
several years ago (quite some months before the 'Toronto blessing' was even heard
of here). In this dream, he found himself in a large auditorium full of people.
Many of these people appeared spiritually 'fat' and overfed (including many of
the leaders), while the rest seemed small in comparison. At the front of the auditorium
he saw people FALLING DOWN LAUGHING AND CRYING, etc, and the words that were clearly
spoken to him to describe what he was seeing were: "LAODICEAN REVIVAL". He noticed
that it was essentially the large, overfed looking people who were really becoming
'caught up' in this laughing, crying and falling, etc. In the dream, my friend
was taken and seated with the small people. And as he watched, a great gulf began
to appear between the large people (who were still caught up in their 'Laodicean
revival') and the little people, who were being steadily drawn away from this
scene until a yawning gulf had developed between the two groups. Suddenly a great
tide of young people flooded in all around these little people, and they began
to minister to them in the power of Jesus Christ. The prophet knew that this was
the beginning of the true Revival. Glory to God!
Notice in the above dream of the "TWO REVIVALS" that it was the 'Laodicean revival'
that came first, followed after an interval by the genuine Revival. This dream
is confirmed by the well-known prophetic allegory, "Escape from Christendom" (published
by Morning Star several years ago) which also contains two revivals - one counterfeit
and one genuine. It also seems to fit in perfectly with the pattern found in the
book of Joel.
I have to say that I have been astonished that the American prophetic movement
has allowed itself to become so closely identified in the minds of many Christians
around the world, with the 'Toronto' movement. I myself put this down to the fact
that their close association with the Vineyard clouded their judgement, and meant
that they did not look at this movement as objectively or as analytically as they
should have. Speaking personally, having witnessed the 'Toronto' manifestations
for myself, and also as a Revival historian, I have to say that this movement
surely has to be the most dubious that has arisen in the church for well over
a century. Why on earth would the American prophetic movement allow itself to
become so strongly identified with such a movement? The only explanation is their
close association with the Vineyard. And so here we are, in the last days (the
days of great deception amongst Christians, of seducing spirits and "lying signs
and wonders" in the church), with the most well-known prophetic movement in the
world actually supporting a 'revival' that is surely one of the most suspect and
dubious spiritual movements in history. Alarming, isn't it?
Some time ago, God gave me a prophetic analogy from the story of the children
of Israel in the wilderness. It is clear that the wilderness was a place of testing
and trial for the Israelites before they could enter into the promised land. God
showed me that the twelve spies who went in to spy out the land were really just
like prophets, who have been shown in the spirit what the Revival of tomorrow
will be like - a land "flowing with milk and honey". However, in the end
result, ONLY TWO of these spies (or prophets) - Joshua and Caleb - were truly
uncompromising in their stand for truth and for God's promise. The other ten spies,
even though they had been shown what was to come, simply did not possess the uncompromising,
immovable steadfastness that was necessary to inherit the promised land. Even
though they were definitely true prophets (in the sense that they had truly 'spied
out the land'), they preached an insipid, compromising word, and all who trusted
in them perished in the wilderness. Joshua and Caleb, the "immovable" prophets
(and their families) were the only ones from that entire generation who made it
into the promised land. The rest all fell at the final hurdle - the last great
'test'. Their prophets had let both them, and God, down very badly.
Like the children of Israel, I am convinced that today's church has been passing
through it's own wilderness of testing in recent times (just before the 'promised
land' of true Revival). And like the Israelites, I am convinced that only a "remnant"
will eventually make it through into the coming move of God. (This principle is
all the way through Scripture). It will be a "Gideon's Army" (a remnant army),
rather than a "Joel's Army" that will bring in the great last-days harvest. This
is clearly what God has been speaking in the dreams and visions that we have discussed.
And it seems obvious from the Scriptures also.
I would just like to conclude this article by saying that it has not been my intention
here at all, to 'attack' the American prophetic movement, but rather to warn and
plead with them, to at least consider the possibility that what I am saying is
true. It is my belief that the U.S. prophetic movement is now in far greater danger
than it is probably aware of, just like the many previous movements that have
found themselves in a similar position down through history. Tragically, it has
often been found doubly true of Revivals that: "The good becomes the enemy of
the best". My great fear is that this may again prove to be the case this time.
I would just like to urge all who are reading this to step back for a moment and
take a good hard look at what is happening around them. Please think twice before
allying yourself in any way with "Joel's Army". Remember, Gideon's Army is WAITING
for God to move, while Joel's Army is just about to march off to war. The
choice between these two is an absolutely crucial one. For again, let me repeat
what Jesus Himself said in the vision: "NO-ONE WHO HAS THEIR BROTHER'S BLOOD ON
THEIR SWORD WILL BE USED TO BUILD MY HOUSE." Amen.
[Please note that it was never stated in the above article that I believed the
U.S. prophetic movement to be officially joined with the Vineyard. I was merely
making the point that there were strong ties generally between the Vineyard and
the most well-known and widely recognized of the American prophetic movements.
This is absolutely common knowledge, and even the most cursory look at the relationship
between many prophetic ministries and the Vineyard in the U.S. will confirm what
I am saying. -A.S.]
TAKEN FROM SANDY S________'S PAGE OF QUOTES
of MorningStar Magazine and prophet.
is about to come upon the earth is not just a revival, or another awakening; it
is a veritable revolution. The vision was given in order to begin to awaken those
who are destined to radically change the course, and even the very definition
of Christianity. The dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works
will be a positive and exhilarating experience for the Lords faithful servants.
A great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles will be raised up
with the spirit of Phineas " (Rick
Joyner, The Harvest, op. cit. "Joels Army.")
Editor: Balaam's Ass Speaks-- This means that they will take up arms
and kill us. ]
Rick Joyner reports visions of "a bloody civil war" in the Church. (Latter
Rain Revival, 1996)
Rick Joyner has identified "Antichrist" as the orthodox church. (Weighed and Found
Wanting, Bill Randles, p. 64.)
Rick Joyner on the subject of the latter-day apostles and prophets who will be
greater than the apostles and prophets of Biblical times: "In the near future
we will not be looking back at the early church with envy because of the great
exploits of those days, but all will be saying that He certainly did save His
best wine for last. The most glorious times in all of history have not come upon
us. You, who have dreamed of one day being able to talk with Peter, John and Paul,
are going to be surprised to find that they have all been waiting to talk to you."
(Rick Joyner, The Harvest (Pineville, NC, MorningStar, 1990, 9)
[ Editor: Balaam's
Ass Speaks-- We have been hearing the prophecies from brownsville about
this. So, soon, Charismania will abandon the Word of God, as they have already,
and they will stop cliaming visions and manifestations fromt eh Holy Spirit, and
they will go on to claim they are getting the very voice of Peter, Paul, the Apsotles,
and, no doubt, "The Blessed Virgin." I dare say, at Trinity Brampton, and
Sunderland, they will be hearing from Churchill and Bobby Burns, what? ]
the American Civil War, the coming spiritual civil war will also be between the
Blue and the Gray. In dreams and visions blue often represents heavenly mindedness
- the sky is blue - and gray speaks of thos who live by the power of their own
minds - the brain is often called gray matter - this will be a conflict between
those who may be genuine Christians, but who live mostly according to their natural
minds and human wisdom, and those who follow the Holy Spirit." (Rick Joyner,
The Morning Star Prophetic Bulletin, May 1996, 2)
will also be some new wonders coming to the church. We had some of these just
recently where Bob Jones and I heard angels singing twice in a meeting. This didn't
even take any faith, it was so loud and so clear, it was like a choir singing.
Another time, we had the odor of incense fill a meeting for about 15 minutes.
It was so intense that you couldn't help but smell it...He gave it as a witness
that He was receiving the intercession from these people, the prayers and their
intercession. He had said He would come with a sign that we would smell the incense.
It came so powerfully faith was hardly needed. And we saw the wind of the Spirit
blow so hard at a meeting you could see people's hair blowing! So He is coming
a whole lot more dramatically. As one brother said, 'This hardly takes any faith,
it is so obvious.' But when He comes in ways like that, it is always to give a
message. He is not just trying to tickle our curiosity or our interest in supernatural
things, He is trying to say something to us." One of the major points I have
tried to make through (my) book, is that there has been a "conditioning" of God's
people over the years. They have been conditioned to become more attuned to sensual
manifestation than to the Word of God. Joyner ends this paragraph by saying that
"He (God) is trying to say something to us." God has spoken already through
His Son and through the Word of God, He doesn't need to give you scents of honeysuckle
to let you know He heard your prayers. He wants us to come by faith. Heb 11:6
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must
believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
I could go on and on about the damage done to the Charismatic church and the Body
as a whole, through the Kansas City Prophets affair, but I think I've made my
point. I contend that what we are seeing in Toronto, through Rodney Howard-Browne,
and all over the world, is merely the logical next step, to what was begun in
the 1940's, carried on by the Latter Rain/Manifested Sons teachers, progressing
into the Dominion Now, Kingdom Now crowd, The Faith Message, the prophetic move,
up to this day. Where is this "river" taking us? Into delusion and apostasy! (Rick
Joyner, Faith Hardly Needed From Fullness, Jan/Feb 1990 "The Unfolding of a Prophet."
Page 13, with commentary by Bill Randles, Weighed And Found Wanting, 1994, appendix)
the first Day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit has proven that He will only come
to the degree that we have unity." Joyner makes this statement without regard
to the fact that every person who beleives in Jesus Christ receives the Holy Spirit,
therefore He has already "come" to every believer. "Unity" is not the criteria
for the Holy Spirit to "come". Belief is. Eph. 1:13 "And you also were included
in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having
believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit."1
Cor. 12:13 "For we were ALL baptized by one Spirit into one body whether Jews
or Greeks, slave or free and we were ALL given the one Spirit to drink." (Emphasis
mine) (Rick Joyner, "Azusa Street - The Fire That Could Not Die", The Morning
Star Journal, Volume 7, Number 1, with comment by Sandy S________, 1997)
height of the Azusa Street revival Seymour prophesied, "We are on the verge of
the greatest miracle the world has ever seen." The miracle he was referring to
was a true love and unity between races and creeds that he considered to be fundamental
Christianity. When it does, William J. Seymour must be considered as one who sowed
the seeds for this greatest miracle of all. Possibly more than any other man in
church history, he promoted that which alone can bring it to pass, seeking the
fulness of the Holy Spirit in our midst." I have news for Joyner and Seymour
(although, since Seymour is now dead he will know this to be true), the "greatest
miracle" of all is the salvation of a lost soul, not some kind of ecumenical "unity
between races and creeds". Lu 15:10 "In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing
in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Angels rejoice
over repentant sinners. The Bible does not say they rejoice over "unity between
races and creeds" or false signs and wonder.. (Rick Joyner, "Azusa Street - The
Fire That Could Not Die", The Morning Star Journal, Volume 7, Number 1, with comment
by Sandy S_______, 1997)
must be vigilant and able to quickly recognize the enemy, but not be too quick
to call someone the enemy until we are sure of what we see. A friend of mine who
was a close associate of Jack Coe, one of the greatest of the healing evangelists,
told me how he died quickly and unexpectedly at the age of just 39 after publicly
referring to Kathryn Kuhlman as a witch. Years later, Kuhlman died quickly and
unexpectedly after publicly calling Bob Mumford a false teacher. Were these the
judgments of God? I believe both of these died because of the mercy of the Lord,
to keep them from crossing the line to becoming a stumbling block, something the
Lord Himself warned should be the last thing we ever want to become." This
is used as an illustration by Joyner of true prophets calling someone else a false
prophet and dying. First of all "too quick to judge"? It apparently took these
people most of their lives to make these judgments. Secondly, from the list he
mentioned, this is a classic example of false prophets calling each other false
prophets and God taking them out.
Just read a little about the lives of Jack Coe and Kathryn Kuhlman and their heretical
practices and statements, if you are in doubt. Joyner is also wrong about judging.
We are called to judge the words of Christians, as good "Bereans". Paul called
people to judge his words. 1Co 10:15 "I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves
what I say." We are also called to test the spirits for the express purpose of
finding out who the false prophets are. 1 Jo 4:1 "Dear friends, do not believe
every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many
false prophets have gone out into the world." If people are found to be false
prophets and false teachers, we are to have nothing further to do with them as
Christians. Jeremiah 23:16 "This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen
to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They
speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD." (Rick Joyner,
"False Prophets and False Prophecy", The Morning Star Journal, Volume 6, Number
4, with comment by Sandy S_______, 1997, emphasis mine)
Who is he, and why is he drawing the masses to himself?
Casey Treat is
another Charismatic who leads the saints away from the biblical truth to doctrines
of devils. Here is a presentation from his friends and our friends on the
Treat -- Blurb by one of Treat's groupies
January 1980, Pastor Casey Treat and his wife, Wendy, started Christian Faith
Center in Seattle, Washington with a group of 30 people. Others quickly responded
to the straightforward message that God's Word works. Today, Christian Faith Center
is one of the largest churches in the Pacific Northwest, with more than 6,000
people attending weekly services.
Treat is a pastor, author, and motivational speaker, as well as the founder and
president of Dominion College. He holds Success Through Excellence seminars designed
for business people. He also hosts his own daily television program. Traveling
extensively each year, Pastor Treat speaks at large conventions and churches.
His books and audio/ video cassettes are distributed worldwide.
Dave Hunt on Treat (Disclaimer some of Hunt's teachings)
Dave Hunt, in his book Seduction
of Christianity, documents Casey Treat, pastor of Seattle's Christian Faith
Center, as saying in his tape series Believing in Yourself that we're exact duplicates
of God. "I'm an exact duplicate of God! When God looks in the mirror He sees me!
When I look in the mirror, I see God! Oh, hallelujah! You know, sometimes people
say to me, when they're mad and want to put me down. You just think you're a little
god. Thank you! Hallelujah! You got that right! Who'd you think you are, Jesus?
Yep!...Are you listening to me? Are you kids running around here acting like gods?
Why not? God told me to! Since I'm an exact duplicate of God, I'm going to act
of WOF's proof texts for them being little gods is Psalms 82:6. If one looks carefully,
it is apparent that God is mocking the judges (gods) who had perverted justice.
He (God) says, "I say ye are gods, nevertheless, you will die as mere men" (vss.
6 & 7). This is the same proof text the Mormons use to say one can become
is also a contradiction that if one is a god that one should die as a man. God
is mocking and in a real sense condemning those that would arrogantly try to lift
themselves to such status.
is seen with Casey Treat, another problem with WOF teachers is their misunderstanding
of the meaning of man being made in the image of God. To use Treat's own illustration
of looking in the mirror, when one does look, what one sees is one's own reflection.
The image is not reality. The image is only a reflection of one's reality. One
reflects God's image (some of His qualities) but one is not God.
Granted that man is the
apex of God's creation and as such is completely different from the rest of creation,
but being God's image does not mean that one is a little god. Humans are not divine
by nature. God is divine. "Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service
unto them which by nature are no gods." (Galatians 4:8, also see Isaiah 1:6-11,
43:10, 44:6; Gen. 1:26, 28, 3:4-5; Ezekiel 28:2; Psalm 8:6-8).
Excerpt from The Watchman
Christian Research Institute.
Ye Are Gods? Orthodox
and Heretical Views on the Deification of Man (an article from the Christian
Research Journal, Winter/Spring 1987, page 18) by Robert M. Bowman, Jr. The Editor-in-Chief
of the Christian Research Journal is Elliot Miller.
quote from the above article:
the most difficult doctrine of deification to categorize into one of the seven
basic world views is that of the "positive confession" or "faith" teachers, including
Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Frederick K.C. Price, Charles Capps, Casey Treat,
and many others. In brief, the "faith" teaching maintains that God created man
in "God's class," as "little gods," with the potential to exercise the "God kind
of faith" in calling things into existence and living in prosperity and success
as sovereign beings. We lost this opportunity by rebelling against God and receiving
correct this situation, Christ became a man, died spiritually (receiving Satan's
nature), went to Hell, was "born again," rose from the dead with God's nature,
and then sent the Holy Spirit so that the Incarnation could be duplicated in believers,
thus fulfilling their calling to be little gods. Since we are called to experience
this kind of life now, we should experience success in everything we do, including
health and financial prosperity.
aspects of this teaching have been documented and compared with Scripture in articles
published in previous issues of this journal. Regarding the claim that men
are "little gods," there is no question (as shall be demonstrated shortly) that
the language used is unbiblical, but are the ideas being conveyed contrary to
Scripture as well? Specifically, is the world view of the "faith" teaching monotheistic
or polytheistic? A simple answer to this question is somewhat elusive.
The positive confession
teachers have made statements that seem polytheistic, and yet often in the same
paragraph contradict themselves by asserting the truth of monotheism. At least
two positive confession teachers, Frederick K.C. Price and Casey Treat, have admitted
that men are not literally gods and have promised not to use this terminology
again. In many cases, the dominant world view appears to be monotheism, with
their teachings tending at times toward a polytheistic world view. It seems best,
then, to regard the "faith" teaching as neither soundly monotheistic nor fully
polytheistic, but instead as a confused mixture of both world views. This means
that the "faith" teaching of deification cannot be regarded as orthodox.
Their concept of deification
teaches that man has a "sovereign will" comparable to God's, and that man can
therefore exercise the "God kind of faith" and command things to be whatever he
in the article...
Treat's claim that man is an "exact duplicate" of God is based on his understanding
of the meaning of "image" in Genesis 1:26-27. The Mormon apologetic for their
doctrine that God is an exalted Man and that men can also become Gods typically
appeals to the image of God in man, and to the parallel passage in Genesis 5:1-3
where Adam is said to have begotten Seth "in his own likeness, after his own image"
(Genesis 5:1-3). These claims raise two questions. Does the creation of man
in the image of God imply that God Himself is an exalted man (as in Mormonism),
or perhaps a spirit with the physical form or shape of a man (as in Armstrongism)?
And does the image of God in man imply that men may become "gods"?
There are several reasons
why such conclusions are incorrect.
there are the biblical statements which say that God is not a man (Num. 23:19;
1 Sam. 15:29; Hos.11:9).
there is the biblical teaching on the attributes of God already mentioned, according
to which God obviously cannot now or ever have been a man (except in the sense
that the second person of the triune God became a man by taking upon Himself a
second nature different from the nature of deity).
in the context of Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 there is one very important difference
between the relationship between God and Adam on the one hand and Adam and Seth
on the other hand: Adam was _created_ or _made_ by God, while Seth was _begotten_
by Adam. To create or make something in the image or likeness of someone means
to make something of a _different_ kind that nevertheless somehow "pictures" or
represents that someone (cf. Luke 20:24-25). It is therefore a mistake to reason
backwards from the creation of man in God's image to deduce the nature of God.
Genesis 1:26-27 is telling us something about man, not about God. Besides the
passages in Genesis (see also 9:6), the Old Testament says nothing else about
the image of God.
New Testament teaches that man is still in God's image (1 Cor. 11:7; James 3:9),
but also says that, in some unique sense, Christ is the image of God (2 Cor. 4:4;
Col. 1:15). Christians are by virtue of their union with Christ being conformed
to the image of God and of Christ resulting finally (after this life) in glorification
(2 Cor. 3:18; Rom. 8:29-30), which includes moral perfection (Eph. 4:24; Col.
3:10) and an immortal physical body like Christ's (1 Cor. 15:49; cf. Phil. 3:21).
Orthodox biblical theologians and scholars do have some differences of opinion
as to how best to define and explain what these passages mean by the "image of
these differences are relatively minor, and do not obscure the basic truth of
the image, which is that man was created as a physical representation (_not_ a
physical _reproduction_ or "exact duplicate") of God in the world. As such, he
was meant to live forever, to know God personally, to reflect His moral character
-- His love -- through human relationships, and to exercise dominion over the
rest of the living creatures on the earth (Gen. 1:28-30; cf. Ps. 8:5-8).
From the biblical teaching
on the image of God, then, there is nothing which would warrant the conclusion
that men are or will ever be "gods," even "little gods," as the "faith" teachers
often put it.
the Cross + Word from the UK
similar kind of thinking can be found within the Faith Movement wherein Kenneth
Copeland, Frederick Price, Casey Treat and many others speak of the Christian
as "a little god" who, by means of "revelation knowledge", can learn to control
life's circumstances to one's advantage. This is pure metaphysics, and ironically
a far cry from the Biblical concept of faith as, for an example, trust in a God
who sometimes leads us into circumstances we would not ordinarily want, and then
delivers us in what time and way seems good to Him.
Biblical Discernment Ministries
Charismatic Bible Ministries
(CBM) was founded in 1986 by hyper-charismatic Oral Roberts. Jack Hayford was
one of the original officers and trustees of CBM. (Others included such hyper-charismatics
as Richard Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, David Yonggi Cho, Charles Capps, Morris
Cerullo, Paul Crouch, Kenneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, Charles and Frances Hunter, Robert
Tilton, Casey Treat, John Osteen, Earl Paulk, Fred K.C. Price, Tommy Reid, Stephen
Strang, and Lester Sumrall.) CBM conducts leadership conferences for its charismatic
coalition, many of whom espouse dominion theology tenets. CBM's slogan is "Love
and Unity through Signs and Wonders." When people look to signs and wonders to
produce love and unity, they will find themselves united with everything that
appears miraculous regardless of the source (Vengeance is Ours , pp. 125-127
Blessed Quietness Journal--
now you can see that Treat is a full blown heretic. He has believed the
Serpent who said, "Ye shall be like God." Treat and all who follow him will go
to hell for their heresy. This man is deceiving many lambs and making fools
of weak saints.
you get the impression that Rick Joyner knows more than Jesus about the future? What
Bible DOES have something to say about new revelations and prophecies: Revelation
22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this
book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues
that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the
words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book
of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this
book. So, Rich Joyner, no matter how close his alleged revelations seem
to coincide with End Time Prophecy and present day events, will have all the judgment
and curses of the book of The Revelation added to him. This is not because
of his predictions, which happen to be pretty close to the flow of events. It
will be because he claimed to get all this by advanced revelation. Anyone wishing
to warn Bible believers of TRENDS and historic comparisons with our own day may
well make a positive contribution if Jesus Christ is lifted up and the Gospel
is the object of repentance. Now, will you believe the added "revelation"
rubbish and join Joyner in his eternal destiny? By the way, diligent Bible
believers will have seen several heretical notions in Joyner's revelation, but
I do not want to distract you from the core heresy-- NEW REVELATION ADDED TO THE