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NINE REASONS WHY SCOTT NORVELL, of the TERRA FORMING CULT, is a LOONEY DINGBAT and a FALSE TEACHER by Kent Treadwell

(In this article I use the KJV, because if you don't have a King James Bible, you don't have a Bible) Now before I begin my thoughts about this false teacher, I would like to write a few things about Bible interpretation and Bible doctrine. 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." According to the Bible no one has a right to their private interpretation of scripture. Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." This passage tells us that if the teaching doesn't line up with scripture it's void of spiritual light. Another words, it's false! Herbert Lockyer, in his book All the Doctrines of the Bible said,

"Make no subject a matter of necessary faith which is not a matter of revelation. (He means scripture revelation). Let there be a suspense of judgment until the word of God itself decides. Bias, away from scripture, results in fancy and imagination."

My friends that's exactly what Norvell has done, left off from scripture and got into fancy and imagination. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" We must ask, what does the Bible say? We need to line up everything we hear and read with scripture and we need to read scripture within its proper context. Having given a short synopsis on Bible interpretation I would like to give 9 reasons why Scott Norvell of Terra Forming teaches dangerous false doctrine and why I believe he is a real nut-case. I will be referring to a transcript of his widely distributed video, "Terraforming".

I will not be able to refute everything in this over one hour foray into tedium, as his teaching strains every fabric of one's patience. But, I will deal with some of his most egregious departures from God's Final Authority and Truth. Lastly before I begin I would like to say, a number of Bible teachers and preachers agree, THIS MAN AND HIS WIFE ARE SPIRITUALLY LETHAL!

I am not able, due to time and space to refute all of Norvell's departures from scripture. Here is a few. (Norvell's words are indented)

 

REASON #1 Psalms 90:8, "Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance." (Norvell referenced this scripture) Norvell says:

"The Lord reveals the hidden sins in the light of His presence."

The meaning here is obscure as in all of Norvell's teaching but he seems to be saying God shows him other people's sins. I was questioning this at first until I listened to his whole video, and that is exactly what he meant. Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Norvell just added to God's word. God never said that he reveals people's sins to other people. The scripture plainly teaches the opposite here, that the LORD knows all of our secret sins and they are before him alone. I guess Norvell never read or didn't care that the verse said, "�before thee..." The Psalmist was speaking of God in the context.

Next is some nutty stuff, that shows just how looney this crazymatic is.

 

REASON #2 Norvell says: Jesus cross-referenced (Ps 90:8) to the Lord's Prayer Mt 6:10,11 then he mixes versus 10,11 up to make them sound like one statement - Jesus never said or cross-referenced any such thing. Norvell lies. He presumes to speak extra-biblically for Jesus Christ. What Trash! This is pure deception. At this point Norvell uses Ps 90:8 with Mt 6:10,11 to teach people that daily bread is God showing them other people's sins on a daily basis so they can go around covering them in Jesus' blood and forgiving their sins. This is Satanic blasphemy. The next thing on this list of Norvell's bad, bad Biblical theology is a real shocker that only a Bible illiterate could come up with. It shows a rehash of Bill Britton's Manifest Sons of God blasphemy.

 

REASON #3 Quote from Norvell: "Remember when I said, (here he takes authority away from God and bestows it upon himself) we were to liberate creation from the effect of sin Romans chapter 8�" O, REALLY NOW Mr. Norvell, you and your group are now going to remove the curse of sin from the earth and bring in the millennium without Jesus Christ even showing up! How big of you! Who died and appointed you Almighty God. Let's take a breath here and look at the truth. Let me quote from the traditional Bible-believing exegesis of Romans 8:19 from The King James Study Bible which gives the long held belief of conservative Christians.

Page 1745 quote: "The creature, eagerly looks forward to the revelation of the sons of God in the Millennium (Christ's thousand year earthly reign) because that is the time when the curse will be lifted and creation will be restored to Edenic conditions. Note on Romans 8:21 delivered from the bondage of corruption: the creature (or Creation) looks forward to the Millennium when redeemed man is glorified and will never again have to face God's curse. Note on Romans 8:22 Groaneth and travaileth in pain refers to Adam's Fall, which has caused misery from then until the present. The present sufferings of creation are the "birth pangs" of the new age to be born, the Millennium. From the Fall until now, creation has been groaning over the pointlessness of having been made subject to a curse. It eagerly looks forward to the time when the curse will be lifted (vs. 19)" end quote.

Everyone who knows their Bible knows the curse will not be lifted until the resurrection and the millennium. Mr. Norvell, go sit in the corner and suck your thumb.

 

REASON #4 Next Scott Norvell completely loses it and takes a Disneyland flight into fantasy. He is having a verbal (I think, he doesn't say) two-way conversation with Jesus Christ. I know he must have appreciated a private audience with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Anyway, Jesus is questioning Norvell about "what does the blood of Jesus do for you when you are forgiven with it?" It seems at first Norvell doesn't know, I guess his Bible study has been a little lax lately, and he says, "Well uh, makes me happy." Then Jesus proceeds to straighten out his belief about how a person gets forgiven, but the bad thing that happens is that he has Jesus departing from the scriptures.

Jesus asks Norvell, "Question, When you want to be forgiven, by me, what do you do?"

"Answer: Receive the blood of Jesus."

Jesus said "yes in fact, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" It's crazy and you may not believe it but Jesus left out repentance, confession and agreed with Norvell on an unscriptural notion that forgiveness comes only by receiving the blood. Nowhere in the Bible does it say receiving the blood brings forgiveness, this is a completely new doctrine taught nowhere in the scripture. The Bible teaches we must repent and confess to God to be forgiven. 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Then we can be forgiven.

The next question Jesus asks Norvell is"Now how do you forgive others?"

Here Norvell gets very obscure, it's not clear. Is Norvell talking about forgiving others that offend him, or is he talking about forgiving people who have sinned against God. Later on in his teaching we discover that he puts on his Roman Catholic robe and forgives people who have sinned against God.

Norvell answers to his make-believe Jesus, so at this point we need to be reminded of Galatians 1:8, " But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.",

"I said, well I declare it. I forgive you� I said hang on, I've got it, and I release you�and so I finally got the hint, I forgive them with the blood of Jesus. The Lord said, "you got it." We have a definition for forgiveness. Forgiveness equals blood."

Now friends if that doesn't chill your blood nothing will. Besides the fact that there are a number of scriptural errors in this teaching, this dangerous man is teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is giving him and his friends the power and authority to forgive people's sins with the blood of Jesus. The fact is that no one has the power to forgive sins but God alone. Mark 2:7, "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

This is Roman Catholic doctrine through and through, only now it's not just the priest but everybody who wants to. Later on we learn that they are even forgiving dead people. Have you blown a gasket yet? This must be exposed for what it is, dangerous doctrines of devils. 1 Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" A word to Norvell: You're not God, and as bad as you want to be, you never will be!!! You better start to fear with this kind of stuff.

Editor: Mary is the "Mediatrix" of Rome, and Rome's priests claim the right to, along with Mary, forgive sins. Indeed, this is a spiritual felony, for it sets aside the person of Jesus Christ and his singular office as the absolver of sin. Norvell is indeed a blasphemer.

REASON #5 Norvell states:

"The Lord showed me the greatest commission. Matthew 28: 19,20." (I guess he never saw it before)

Then Norvell assumes the role of the Lord Jesus Christ the Head of the Church, he rescinds the commission of Jesus Christ and he commands a new one. Here he states:

"The Lord gave me a different commission in the gospel of John 20:21-23."

No cult leader could have stated it better! This is scripture perversion at its worst.

For two-thousand years the church has believed and practiced, Matthew 28: 19-20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.", as its greatest mandate. Now, Norvell has taken the authority of Jesus Christ away from him and granted it to himself.

This false doctrine could not have made Satan happier, the Devil loves this junk! If you follow this clown you'll either wind up in hell or live a miserable disappointing life.

REASON #6 Next Norvell continues his grandiose delusions.

"Our Lord Jesus commissioned us to do everything that He did."

Yeah sure, like raising the dead (more on this later) feeding the multitude with a few loaves and fishes, walking on water, stopping storms on the sea, making blind eyes see, drying up hemorrhages, healing everyone without any duds, misfires or failures. This is old Charismania re-packaged, all claims, no proof, just pretending like it's happening and when it doesn't, lie about it! Folks, Norvell's dreaming. Somebody please wake him up. It's worth noting at this juncture that all Bible-Believers believe God heals, we just don't believe you heal. The Lord God Almighty is the great physician, not you! You say, "what about the Apostles, the sign gift of healing, etc.?" Isn't it a shame that people can't rightly divide the word of truth and the signs being for the Jews? No time to go on, the point is made. Try using your Bible for something other than keeping notes and dried flowers.

REASON #7 The next teaching of Scott Norvell's which I would like to take note of can be summarized in a few outlandish and un-scriptural statements. Here he goes again:

"�the Lord has given us the commission as priest to carry the blood of Jesus around the world 'for forgiveness" as royal priest, we are carriers of the blood of Jesus�, and when we declare this honor there is unimaginable power, so much so, that the enemy has been hiding this from us since Jesus' resurrection 2000 years ago." "The Lord is releasing you to dismantle the kingdom of darkness."

WOW! This is fantastic, Norvell tells them that they've been given some Godlike powers that nobody knew anything about until he (Norvell) came along! Again he shoves the LORD, the great I AM off the pew and sits down! But let's hear from a real Christian teacher on this matter, a Jewish Christian and fine Bible teacher at www.letusreason.org Mike Oppenheimer.

Quoting, "In the New Testament it wasn't a repetitive act like in the Old Testament, but once for all. And we do not handle the blood our high priest Jesus does. It is applied to those who are recipients of salvation. Hebrews 10:19-22: "Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water."

"We can enter by Christ who is our sacrifice, our high priest as he made a new way through a living tabernacle his own flesh. He sprinkles our hearts (our spirit) by His blood so we can be cleansed and come into a relationship. There are some Charismatic's and Pentecostal's that use the practice (now a clich�) of pleading the blood over people that are unsaved and things they want cleansed or delivered. Just about anything gets the blood pleaded over it. But this is an unbiblical practice, nowhere do we read of the apostles "pleading the Blood." Although we are priests, Jesus is our high priest, we cannot apply the blood over any or every thing we want cleansed.

"The blood is applied only to those who have faith in the atonement of Christ. It is an individual's choice and it happens only once, we cannot put the blood over them or on them. In the Old Testament motif's, the blood was sprinkled in the holy of Holies for the people by the high priest once a year. But the objects were those set apart for the Lord, strict instructions were given by God himself on this matter. The high priest could not sprinkle the blood on anything his heart desired. Especially having the blood to be on unsaved or unsanctified individuals."

"You can't make something clean that is unclean. This was done only on the objects God set apart in the temple. It was sprinkled on the ark, the mercy seat for their forgiveness. We see no such practice by the apostles or instructions in the epistles to do any such sprinkling or pleading of Christ's blood on anyone (even those demon possessed). In the Old Testament it was a physical act by the priest to put the blood on the altar, not moving it from one place to another."

"It is the same principle in the New Testament, one cannot move it on to those people or things for cleansing by speaking, (pleading it). The blood represents the life of the person, we cannot plead His life on others? Only the high priest handled the blood to go on the mercy seat for the forgiveness of sins, Jesus is the one who sprinkled His blood, not us. We can't physically touch it today nor can we apply it somewhere else spiritually, since we are not the high priest, Jesus is."

End quote.

 

REASON #8 This last thing to deal with at this time is one of the most outrageous, whoppers of lies I've ever heard in 43 years of Bible preaching. Scott Norvell relays a testimony of what his teaching produces. I quote,

"A couple of months ago one of the people of our team got a phone call that is highly representative of what God is doing right now. On this phone call she learned that a relative of hers, 8 yr. old daughter, had died very unexpectedly. The child had been dead for over 12 hours. And this team member of ours said over the phone, said listen, I want to do something weird, will you say yes to God. And the mom said, of course I will. And she said I'm going to pray this way, she said Father, I ask you to shine your light into reveal the hidden sins. And the Lord revealed a generational sin of a grandfather and the women on our team walked the other person through forgiving their grandfather. And the person on the phone prayed the simple prayer. Said Father I forgive my grandfather for this sin, I wash them with the blood of Jesus they are now purified, redeemed and restored back to you. I hurl down the accuser. The girl got up from the table and left resurrected and totally healed. They never said be healed, they forgave grandpa."

1. The Generational Curses doctrine may sound really good on the surface to some Christians but this is a heretical doctrine that suggests that salvation through Jesus Christ is not enough and that somewhere, the born again believer needs deliverance from the generational curses of their ancestors; That receiving Jesus is not enough to be free from the curses of ages past. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! There is no such thing as a generational curse for the believer in Christ Jesus. Our Bible says that Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death. Hebrews 2:14-15, "�that through death he [Jesus] might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;�" Galatians 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

This generational curse teaching is all throughout Scott Norvell's teachings. Of course, this "generational curse" teaching is not found in the New Testament, which is why there is no NT verses given for the promotion of this doctrine. We are set free because of the finished work Jesus accomplished at the cross.

2. Here the child lies on a table, dead for 12 hours. Nobody calls an ambulance, no coroner is called in, no 911 calls, nothing.

3. They discerned that the problem was the sin of the grandfather (dead or alive, who knows?) then they forgave like a Catholic priest the sin of the grandfather, who never had to repent.

4. They covered him with the blood of Jesus (move over Jesus!) and purified, redeemed, and restored, all without the man receiving the Lord Jesus Christ. They saved him themselves.

5. The girl was then promptly raised from the dead.

6. Names - none. Documentation - 0. Proof - zilch.

7. Truth, reality. You got to be kidding. Anybody who follows this teaching belongs in a psych ward.

REASON #9 Even though this last teaching of Norvell's was not the last teaching on his video, I saved it for last due to the fact that it was the worst example of perverted scripture twisting that I encountered on his video. Let it never be forgotten that cultists like Norvell are experts at lifting texts out of their respective contexts, without proper concern for the laws of language or the established principles of Biblical interpretation. He is of those whom Peter warns us, who "wrest scripture, unto their own destruction" 2 Peter 3:16. Norvell's statement:

"Something amazing has happened in church. Revelation 12:5 a wondrous sign appears a woman gives birth to an adult son. A man of character and of strength. What is described here is an adult hood of the church, a maturing of the church. The church was birthed by a guy named James, and a guy name Peter, and Paul. They gave birth to the church. That church was intended to grow up into maturity. It could have taken 20 years, it took 2000� why because generation after generation people were given their destiny and they said no. � Guys be blown away by Revelation 12! You understand that John said these were about future events, these were prophecies, these were things that were to be fulfilled in their season. This is the season! Do you know that in Revelation 12: 10 it says, that now is the kingdom, now is liberation, now is the power of God and the authority of Christ. When the woman gave birth to that adult son, when the church grew up into maturity, now is the time when the Lord would release his power and authority to the church. The church has been waiting for 2000 years, many generations have missed it, but we are the chosen generation. We are the ones, we're getting to drive the Ferrari."

Now there are quite a number of statements that Norvell makes here that are just plain bad and dangerous theology. But the worst of them is that he guides the student very stealthily away from the scripture revelation of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the center of this passage and that is a sham and a shame.

Some of his grievous errors:

1. "a woman gives birth to an adult son. What is described here is an adulthood of the church, a maturing of the church." Firstly the Bible says a man child, not an adult. Norvell just made that up. Man child is a Bible phrase found in Job 3:3, Jer 20:15 and Rev 12:5 and it means a male child as opposed to a female. The birth of a male child being a matter of joy in the East. See the New Unger's Bible Dictionary 1988 page 808. Norvell wants to pretend that the church is being born right now into full maturity. The Bible disagrees! Then Norvell proceeds to teach that this is dealing with the church when there is no church mentioned within a hundred verses of Rev 12.

2. Norvell:

"The church was birthed by a guy named James, and a guy named Peter, and Paul. They gave birth to the church."

Yeah right, and little Orphan Annie gave birth to the twelve tribes of Israel. How in the world did Norvell come up with James, Peter, & Paul (all men) giving birth to the church? Scripture please - doesn't exist. Mr. Norvell please stay after school and write: Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" one hundred times on the blackboard.

3. Norvell:

"The church was intended to grow up into maturity. It could have taken 20 years, it took 2000�.Why because generation after generation, people were given their destiny and they said NO!!!"

Here, Scott Norvell complains that in 2000 years nobody did the will of God but him and his little clan of clones. It seems that Mr. Norvell failed to read his Christian History Book. What about the multiplied millions of souls won by George Whitefield, John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Finney, DL Moody, J Frank Norris, General Booth and thousands upon thousands of Bible teachers, preachers, pastors and missionaries known and unknown? Not excluding the Donatists, Waldeneses, Ana-Baptists, Puritans, Congregationalists, and on and on.

And you think that you and your little band of non-soul winners have the corner on the truth and nobody else. Norvell, you just messed your diaper, go to your room.

By the way friends just for relief and enlightenment let me quote from a well know Bible teacher concerning Rev 12. J. Dwight Pentecost, Dallas Theological Seminary 1958. Quote:

"According to Revelation 12, the object of satanic attack during the tribulation period is "the woman" who produced the child. Since this child is born "to rule all nations with a rod of iron" (Rev 12:5), it can only refer to Christ, the one whose right it is to rule. The Psalmist confirms this interpretation in Psalm 2:9, which is admittedly Messianic. The one from whom Christ came can only be Israel. At the time Satan is cast out of heaven (Rev 12:9) he goes forth with "great wrath because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Rev 12:12). The church must not be here, for, since it is the "body of Christ" and the "bride of Christ" and consequently precious to Christ, it would be the object of satanic attack then as it has been all though the age (Eph 6:12) if it were present. The reason Satan turns against Israel can only be explained by the absence of the church from that scene."

End-Quote. For those of you who are interested, look up Gen 37:9 and see who the woman in Rev 12:1 is.

4. Norvell:

"Guys be blown away by Revelation 12! You understand that John said these were about future event, these were prophecies, these were things that were to be fulfilled in their season. This is the season!!!"

It is obvious to anybody who knows their Bible that this couldn't be the season that this dipstick says it is. For two main reasons; Rev 12 is in the middle of the tribulation period and if Rev 12 is being fulfilled right now then the anti-christ is on the earth and is in charge of world government, sitting in the temple at Jerusalem showing himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, " Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

5. Norvell:

"Do you know that in Rev 12:10 it says, now is the kingdom, now is liberation, now is the power of God and the authority of Christ. When the woman gave birth to that adult son, when the church grew up into maturity, now is the time when the Lord would release his power and authority to the church."

NOW, I think that I've already shown that the Bible plainly teaches that the woman is Israel, the man child was not an adult when he was born, and that the man child is in fact the Lord Jesus Christ, who was caught up to God's throne at the resurrection. The important thing that needs to be pointed out, pertains to Norvell's fanciful private interpretation of Rev 12:10. You see the "NOW" is preparatory for that time when Jesus Christ returns to set up His kingdom. It does not refer to sometime in the church age before the tribulation. The last half of the tribulation will be a time of terrible trouble on the earth. It will be Satan's final attempt to prevent the return and the reign of Christ, then Jesus Christ will return in power and great glory to cast down and defeat the accuser. This will be accomplished by Jesus Christ himself, not some self-appointed Charismatics.

Norvell says,

"it's a releasing of power and authority to the church."

The BIBLE PLAINLY STATES THAT THE POWER BELONGS TO GOD AND HIS CHRIST. Scott Norvell, as much as you would like to you'll never have the power to cast down Satan. If Scott Norvell and his followers could cast Satan down and defeat his kingdom now, then all the Bible prophecies of Satan's work until the end of time would be false. You couldn't heal a fly with a headache.

My advice for Scott Norvell is, James 4:9-10, "Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." From all of his teachings this seems to be a lesson he has never learned, he's got a god complex.

 

Conclusion:

Scott Norvell and his wife Shari and all of their followers are mentally deranged. These people are sick, sick, sick. Somebody please help them. This teaching is blasphemous, pabulum puke and that's putting it nicely.

These false teachers have to spiritualize, twist and change what the Bible says in order to prove their false extra-Biblical revelations. The rest they just make up out of thin air. They lie, pretend & deceive. Scott Norvell is a Bible perverter.

Then he adds his personal revelations which God gives only to him, which no-body in two thousand years ever heard of. If anyone tried to follow Norvell's teaching they would be so discouraged and deluded that they could never live a stable, victorious life in Christ. It is sad indeed that we are living to see the fulfillment of the prophecy, 2 Timothy 4:3, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;", especially in light of the fact that the Bible speaks of the importance of sound doctrine over 25 times.

Quote from the book Preaching That Pleases God by Tom Farrell:

"In this carnal day of the emergent church movement preaching that pleases God provides a clarion call for preachers and Bible students everywhere to return to Biblical preaching as God defined it in his word. It is a call to return to God's authority, to God's mandate, and to God's model of authentic ministry. It is a call away from the never-ending pursuit of fads and trends, and back to the pursuit of Christ and the accurately preached word."

End quote. To Scott Norvell: I will tell you what my Dad told me back in the 1950's

"YOU'D BETTER STRAIGHTEN UP AND FLY RIGHT."

Kent Treadwell

 

LINKS:

SECOND ARTICLE ON TERRAFORMING BY Steve Van Nattan

MARKS OF A CULT

GET READY TO DO BATTLE IS YOU DEAL WITH TERRAFORMING

OCCULT INVASION OF CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT

SCOTT NORVELL DUPLICATES MUCH OF THE NONSENSE OF PETER WAGNER

ABUSE OF SCRIPTURE TO TEACH GENERATIONAL CURSE RUBBISH

BOB LARSON MAKES A SHOW OF EXORCISE

Jesus never did this, and Jesus did not have to ask fifty questions, and Jesus did not waste time dealing with devils. This is the monkey shines of modern alleged Bible teachers.
Scott Norvell has been taking lessons from such people, NOT from Jesus Christ.

 

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