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2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Terra Forming-- Sounds like a great title for a Hollywood suspense thriller, a space war. But, it is the name chosen by the cult leader, Scott Norvell.
Recently, I received a letter from a brother in west Texas. He is a savvy Bible teacher, but he was almost pleading with me to expose something new in the way of war on the Church.
When a smart and godly man calls for help, I sit up and take notice.
"Terraforming is changing the atmosphere of earth from one that is hostile to the Kingdom of God to one that is hospitable to the Kingdom of God. It is also preparing a person (Exodus 29), place (Ezekiel 39), or thing (Joshua 24:27) to be clean before entering the Presence of God, which is His prerequisite (Psalm 24:3-4). We do this by asking Him to reveal the hidden sins that have given evil the right to manifest with the Light of Jesus (Psalm 90:8, John 8:12)."
Terra Forming is not a clever invention, it is an old saw, and it is not given to Scott Norvell by revelation or illumination. It is an adaptation done on something well defined and powered by humanistic lust to make the earth over to fit man's presuppositions:
Here is a very busy site which covers hundreds of considerations in a scientific approach to terraforming. It is made clear, if you visit some articles and topics, that these people are mad dreamers. They dream of occupying all of the cosmos and changing earth and the universe to fit their notions.
The mystical humanistic and evolutionary aspects of this mess clearly is the foundation of Terra Forming, the cult.
"Terraforming (literally, "Earth-shaping") of a planet, moon, or other body is the hypothetical process of deliberately modifying its atmosphere, temperature, surface topography or ecology to be similar to those of Earth, in order to make it habitable by terrestrial organisms. The term is sometimes used more generally as a synonym for planetary engineering."
"Based on experiences with Earth, the environment of a planet can be altered deliberately: however the feasibility of creating an unconstrained planetary biosphere that mimics Earth on another planet has yet to be verified. Mars is considered by many to be the most likely candidate for terraforming. Much study has been done concerning the possibility of heating the planet and altering its atmosphere, and NASA has even hosted debates on the subject. Several potential methods of altering the climate of Mars may fall within humanity's technological capabilities, but at present the economic resources required to do so are far beyond that which any government or society is willing to allocate to the purpose."
So, you can see the Terra Forming, the cult, is much like remaking the earth. Terra Forming claims, as you will see in the video below, that God is now ready to lift the curse, and we are the lucky ones to do it. If you believe that, I have this bridge in Brooklyn, New York that I would like to sell you.
So, I received a letter from a brother in west Texas. He was almost pleading with me to expose this treachery because it struck his family. When a smart and godly man calls for help, I sit up and take notice.
What I learned is shocking, but also not so much of a surprise. I keep thinking that I have seen the worst. Then, the enemy comes up with something worse. Terra Forming is just that. It is a synthesis, a synergism, of six of the most pernicious forces in the spirit world today: Charismatic extremism, Roman Catholic militantism, and Alchemy, in this case The Violet Flame movement.
So, I shall simply drop quotes from Terra Forming and friends into this article, and I will give you parallel quotes by or about each of the six entities that make up the force of Terra Forming. You can then see for yourself what I saw. I must say that when I looked at Terra Forming's web page, it did not take long to put it all together mentally. I hope I can make sense of it.
A word of admonition: I am busy these days. In the past I would find all the details and set them down in order for you to read and digest. This time I have put the structure on this article to guide you to find the whole story and whet your thirst for truth. Many links are given to articles at this journal. If you cannot go dig for yourself, you might as well click on out of here. I expect diligent students of the Word of God to be willing to hoe their own row of beans. I also give you some links to sources and the authors of Terra Reforming rubbish. I expect you to check them out. If you won't do this, you or someone close to you may be destroyed by this new cult. It is very powerful.
Again, remember these six factors that pop up in the following discussion:
1. Science Fiction
2. Symbolic association with Alchemy and the Violet Flame
3. The Manifest Sons of God, a Charismatic violent cult for many years
4. The Roman Catholic Blue Army, a militant secret society
5. End Time Handmaidens and Servants, a Moonie-like cult in Charismania
6. The Hebrew Roots Movement
I have not divided this study into sections showing the three sources of Terra Forming because the mix and match of Scott Norvell is so subtle. He has made a genuine hybrid, or synthetic cult, of all of these sources so that the origins of Terra Forming are very well concealed by his tricky twists on the sources. If I were a Roman Catholic I would sue.
Terra Forming is centered, as always in Charismania, in a guru and guruette-- Scott and Shari Norvell
Here is a description of their ministry by one of their branch gatherings in Australia:
Scott and Shari Norvell "Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was of old nor ever will be in ages to come. Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes." Joel 2:2-3
Here is the statement as to what Terra Forming is all about at THEIR SITE:
Terraforming is the process by which the sons and daughters of God liberate creation from the bondage of decay (Romans 8:19-21) and release creation into its irrevocable calling (Romans 11:29) through the impartation of authority given to us with the fulfillment of the prophesy of Revelation 12. These sons and daughters matured into adulthood as they have been given great responsibility in the Kingdom of God and have risked their lives to ultimately produce all of the fruit we were created to (Matthew 25:14-30). We are willing to do anything in our Father's will, even if it were to sell all of our belongings, give to the poor, and follow Jesus (Matthew 19:21) if He asked us to. This has brought us to maturity (Ephesians 4:13-16). We do not love our lives so much as to shrink from death (Revelation 12:11). This is the part where the church of Jesus Christ has reached adulthood (woman gives birth to an adult son in Revelation 12:5), and is now responsible enough to receive the keys (Matthew 16:19) to the Kingdom of God, the power of God, and the authority of Christ (Revelation 12:10). From Latin, Terra forma is to mean the "transformation of creation" for the Kingdom of God!
I notice that, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and Jack Van Impe, Scott drops Scripture references here and there. This is a trick to give the gullible newby the notion that Scott is using that Scripture correctly. In fact, it must take some pretty clever private interpretation to get his plan from the texts involved.
Please now compare the work Christ gave the Church with Scott Norvell's twists and turns on the Bible.
THE WORD OF GOD:
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death
You can see that a lot of things must happen before this final act. Much prophetic activity needs to take place, and I cannot possibly list it all here, before Jesus Christ enters in person and takes the Kingdom.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
This is BEFORE the cleansing of the earth in preparation for the Kingdom rule if Christ.
Does God have helpers? Yes:
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Christ does NOT make Kingdom changes until AFTER the Great Tribulation. If you think the present stress is the Great Tribulation, you ain't seen nothing yet, honey.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
So, our job has NOT changed. The Church Age is characterized by one activity as regards the world at large:
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
There was no taking of Satanic territory, no confrontation with unbelievers, no tough talk Christianity. And, nothing has changed. There is NO chance of a change in the format until AFTER the Great Tribulation. After Christ arrives, he will delegate some of the rod thumping to the saints:
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
So, you can see that Kingdom taking does not happen until AFTER the Great Tribulation, after the Rapture of the Bride, and after we have been changed, our ego, our old nature, and our uncontrolled appetites, will be be qualified to take up the iron rod of Christ. The Crusades of Rome, the discord in Northern Ireland, and the persecution of the Anabaptists by the Reformers is abundant proof that Christ simply cannot trust you and me with anything but the Gospel message.
The day you get bored with that simple task of talking only about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the day you are a wart on the face of the Bride.
MARK OF A GURU AND CULT- EXCLUSIVE OBEDIENCE
Scott Norvell makes it very clear that, for the first time in 2000 years, he and his groupies are obeying Christ. All exclusive cults make such claims. This causes the followers to feel very superior to others in their faith, and it causes people to rush to the guru to get right. Here is Scott:
This arrogance is horse leavings. It is the most pious blasphemy. Well, this editor has obeyed God, as thousands of others have done, and I have done with Scott exactly what he has coming to him.
Judges 15:7 And Samson said unto them, Though ye have done this, yet will I be avenged of you, and after that I will cease.
8 And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the top of the rock Etam.
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Psalms 28:5 Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.
"Go thou and do likewise....."
NEW REVELATION AND SECRET WISDOM
Read the blasphemy:
Three parts of Scott's visitation by devils:
PART ONE-- ".....pure revelation" means that Scott got advanced revelation that God failed to deliver in the canon of Scripture. The Word was given ONCE:
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
The Word was a closed book, Scotty, as much as you crave to add your Mother Goose appendices:
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This is the greatest folly of Charismatic gurus. The "manifestation" racket is in your face and repulsive, but for sheer blasphemy, no one can beat the claim that God just gave me the final word of truth. Humble, little old me, your ONLY SOURCE. They all do it with only the exception of old time Pentecostal preachers who refuse to join the circus. When the ONLY SOURCE sits in the thrown at TBN, Paul Crouch listens to the new revelation, and declares, "PRAAAAAISE JEEEEEESUS."
Well, if you are in Terra Forming, or if you say sweet things about them, tell me, wise apple--- are you happy to receive the verdict that you will have ALL THE PLAGUES IN THIS BOOK added to you by Jesus Christ at the Great White Thrown judgment? That is your destiny if you have any truck in this cult.
PART TWO-- After God allegedly gave the last and best word to Scott, he claims God added fruit to verify the new revelation. That is the pattern of the Old Testament prophets. Satan knows the Bible. He knows how to present his servants in sheep's clothing to deceive the real sheep.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
He also claims signs and wonders followed. That too is calculated to sound like God at work:
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
This is a favorite verse used by Charismatics to justify their holy laughing and barfing and goon show healing circus. This is what Scott knows will fool any Charismatic into at least listening for a while. The signs and wonders are the absolute proof of a valid ministry. To hell with the Bible and sound doctrine and interpretation, "rightly dividing."
PART THREE-- Too harsh of me? Well the next paragraph in Scott's book introduction tells you the last and least important thing (to Scott Norvell) that God used to give the guru his new revelation:
This is the most damning evidence that Scott Norvell is an hireling, as wolf in sheep's clothing. Many Charismatic gurus have taught that new revelation is more authoritative than the written Word of God, This goes even farther. Scott puts the Word of God LAST as his source, when the Word must be THE source. His signs could just as well be the work of Satan or the flesh. The Word is final, and all else falls in lower priority. So, Scott's priorities are mongrel mush.
But, there is that statement above that says the God did not want him to search the scriptures to get life. What blasphemy.
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
The Lord inspired Paul to elevate the zeal of the Bereans as "more noble." Why? Answer: They went FIRST to the Scriptures, and THEN they believed the message and Paul. And, they had nothing but the Old Testament. Scott had a lot more, all of the Word, and he went instead for the rush and the signs.
Read where Terraforming came from in Scott's own words in Chapter Three is his book:
Terraformed or born again?
Science fiction has many counterfeits to the new birth. The New Age and Hinduism have reincarnation to replace the need for being born again.
When you go to Steven King, Art Bell or Martin Beech to find a clone of the original biblical doctrine of the new birth, what results is this..... you will not find the new birth.
Scott Norvell is damned to hell. That is not my idea-- it is God's.
Matthew 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
What is that wedding garment?
Psalms 132:9 Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
Righteousness. There is only ONE righteous source:
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
There is no substitute for the saint with which to be clothed:
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The garment is important. The wrong garment will get you damned to hell fire, as we saw. Scott, with his Terraforming cultural fix doctrine, looks cool, but he has need to be clothed properly.
To you Terraforming people, God says,
"Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh"..... and, science fiction.
I suspect that Scott not only borrowed the name of his cult from science fiction-- he seems to be using imagery on his disciples that will appeal to all the years of watching Super Man, Star Wars, and missions to Mars.
So, we have to ask if Scott is in the spirit of Christ or the spirit of Luke Skywalker?
The Blue Flame / Blue Army-- Please notice that this Charismatic cult, unlike others before, uses a lot of Scripture, and some of it is not the old saws that are used to justify manifestations and folly. This gives the impression that these people come with valid authority.
Blueflame47 A Family Gathering Blue Flame 47 is a group of sons and daughters of God who serve and worship Jesus our Savior. We gather weekly to worship, share and fellowship; monthly to worship and touch the heart of God; and biannually to gather our family from around the world. We have been commissioned by our Father in heaven to prepare the bride by traveling internationally to train and equip the saints with the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 16:19) that Jesus released to us. For more details on this amazing revelation, watch the video on the home page of: www.terra4ming.com.
An Army of Love
Over 25 years ago the Lord started giving us a recurring vision of a regiment of soldiers hand picked for their specialized gifting. They were the best at wielding swords, throwing spears, and shooting arrows. They became the best when it was found that they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. They were clad in armor that was enhanced with spiritual power, making it very difficult to penetrate. They all carried shields embossed with a cross of blue fire. They were called the Blue Army, named after the Fire that had purified them.
In Hebrew, the number 7 (zayin) represents perfection or completion. The number 4 (dalet) represents a door or a gate. Reading right to left, zayin dalet would mean "perfecting the gates" or bringing creation to the fullness of its God given purpose. In science, Element 47 is silver, the last metal to come out of gold when it is purified (Revelation 3:18). As the Father sent Jesus, so also, Jesus has sent us (John 20:21). The army is sent to the world with the weapon of Love. We hope you can join us sometime!
This is a very long discussion. The reason is that the foundations of Terra Forming have been laid many years ago by the various inspiring sources they use. I must cover it all to show you what the lingo is and what the intentions are of these wicked freaks.
Where do we find the "flame" used to define spiritual power?
The violet flame (also called the violet fire) is a unique spiritual energy that can help you in all areas of your life. It can heal emotional and physical problems, improve your relationships, help you to grow spiritually, or just make life easier.
Saints and adepts throughout the ages have known how to use the violet flame, but it was only released to the public earlier this century by an Ascended Master called Saint Germain. Ascended Masters are enlightened spiritual beings who once walked the earth like you and me. They balanced their karma (paid their debts to life) and fulfilled their reason for being. They then ascended, or reunited with God. You probably already know the names of a few Ascended Masters - Jesus Christ, Gautama Buddha and Krishna [and Saint Germain].
Ever wish there was a way you could wipe out your past mistakes? While you can't go back in time, the violet flame has the power to erase, or transmute the cause, the effect, and even the memory of our past mistakes. Transmutation means to change - to alter in form, appearance or nature. The violet flame changes negative energy into positive energy, darkness into light, "fate" into opportunity. The flame also erases the resultant "bad karma" of our mistakes.
The violet flame transmutes this negative energy. It does not simply surround and remove the energy, but transforms it into light. Because there is less density within the atom, the electrons whirl faster and faster, thereby raising your vibration.
The violet flame is a tool of self-transformation.
Transmutation, then, was not just a process which turned base metals into gold, but a spiritual process which raised the soul into a state of unity with the Divine.
Violet flame decree for forgiveness I AM Forgiveness acting here, Casting out all doubt and fear, Setting men forever free With wings of cosmic Victory. I AM calling in full power For Forgiveness every hour; To all life in every place I flood forth forgiving Grace.
The online witch, Robin Regan, gives instructions to Wiccans as to cleansing themselves:
"Merry Meet you can use the violet flame to clear away negative energy. Say "I am a being of violet fire I am a being that god desires" while doing this visualize a violet flame rising from your feet all the way to your head."
If you did not skip around on this page, you will see the parallels and repetition of this ancient Satanic cult in the Terra Forming section above where they define themselves. You need to understand that BOTH the Blue Army / Blue Army, AND the Violet Flame, are militant. The warlike intentions and language have been in alchemy and Charismatic movement language for many years.
The Manifest Sons of God was the original work of Bill Britton of Missouri. I studied his writings in the 1980s when I was in Michigan. I was involved in a vocational matter with a pastor of the MSOG. He told me he was going to boy up all the businesses in Newaygo County to the glory of God. His alleged worship services were a loonie bin of insanity and adulation of him. He milked all the men in his church for cash, got them to sign loans to buy up businesses, and when he had a full deck, he jumped the committee and left the men broke and talking to bill collectors. This is how the MSOG takes the Kingdom.
Now, I am not suggesting that Scott Norvell is doing this, but the foundational doctrine of the MSOG and Scott's is identical. God has decided not to take the Kingdom by the work only of Jesus Christ. God has chosen US to take the Kingdom, and, as Bill Britton taught, those who resist of meddle in our business by questioning us, will be destroyed. Bill Britton made it clear that this meant killing or imprisoning those of us who do not bow before the guru. Terra Forming may not have advanced this far in the jackboot department, but that is the heritage of their teaching. Keep an eye on them please.
Here is the Manifest Sons of God aspect which is clearly the heritage of Terra Forming:
Rick Joyner, along with Kim Clement in his early era, have very violent "revelations" they claim to have received from God. Rick Joyner inherited the kingdom from the MSOG and embellished it. I will be very surprised if there is not an organic connection between Joyner and Terra Forming. In any case, the same doctrine of devils runs through them all.
Here are our articles on Rich Joyner: His language, based on his alleged visions, is VERY violent. I may learn eventually that Joyner is at the bottom of Terra Forming.
Thus, Terra Forming intends to launch war for Christ and destroy all the forces of Satan. Does that include those in Christendom who resist their message?
The keys of Terraforming allow us to change the atmosphere of earth from one that is hostile to the Kingdom of God to one that is hospitable to the Kingdom of God. They are:
1.) Pursuing the portion of our Father's will done that He sets aside for us each day (Matthew 6:10-11). This will include revelation, discernment, Truth, freedom, deliverance, healing, provision, and inheritance.
2.) Asking the Lord to shine the Light of Jesus (John 8:12) that reveals the hidden sins (Psalm 90:8) that give Satan power over the world (Luke 4:6, Acts 26:18) to bring decay that leads to death (Romans 6:23), and makes us unclean (Lamentations 1:8). This is the same decay that creation is in bondage to (Romans 8:21).
3.) As Royal Priests (1 Peter 2:9), we then liberate creation from decay by forgiving the person that sinned (John 20:23) with the Blood of Jesus (Hebrews 9:22, Leviticus 17:11) and the word of our testimony, thus hurling down the accuser (Revelation 12:10-11). Our testimony is what the Blood of Jesus does for us: we are purified (1 John 1:7), redeemed (Ephesians 1:7) and restored back to God (Ephesians 2:13). The sins are now put to death (Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 2:24). 4.)
Finally, we remove evil with the Authority of Jesus (Luke 10:19), tearing down their strongholds (2 Corinthians 10:4). Because the rights of the evil ones have been stripped, they have no house (Matthew 12:44) to return to (Mark 9:25). We are able to command the evil ones not to eavesdrop on our Kingdom conversations and to require that all schemes of evil are disclosed, all as a fruit of forgiveness (2 Corinthians 2:10-11).
Where did Terra Forming get this inspiration and this militant "I dare you" vocabulary? From Bill Britton and Rick Joyner, as well as from the Kansas City Seven who also used a lot of tough talk about what they would do to Bible believers who did not submit to their apostate. Blues, Grays, and all sorts of warlike terms come from Rick Joyner's dreams and devilish illusions. This was addressed several years ago by the Assembly of God, in which they clearly stood apart from the militant talk and bad Kingdom theology That is what you should do.
BLUE IS NOT AS CASUAL CHOICE FOR AN ARMY
Now, where did the Blue Army imagery come from? It is VERY old my dear reader:
TO GET UP TO SPEED ON THE BLUE ARMY, WATCH THIS:
Finally, read our section on Opus Dei to see that the Roman Church is still in the business of violent overthrow of the Lord's Church.
OPUS DEI Deadly Force allegedly for God In fact, they are servants of the Whore of Rome
ANOTHER ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE SCOTT EXALTS-- ABSOLUTION
Absolution is the teaching that sin is forgiven by the Pope or any of his priests. Long ago the confessional was the ONLY place a Roman Catholic could find forgiveness of sins. The priest, after dragging every fine out for each sin, would assign penance (works to balance the account, such as Hail Marys, stations of the cross, or Novenas), and then the priest would declare "te absolvo." This, in Latin, means, "You are forgiven." Christ was not the one to forgive until the priest made it official.
So, what does Scott Norvell teach? Here is a statement from the introduction to his book, Terraforming
Could it be made plainer? Scott's teaching that "royal priests," born again Christians, can "fully" forgive sin is straight out of Canon Law of the Roman Whore. Since Vatican II did away with the confessional, there has been no human "man of God" to whom we hapless sinners can go to be absolved. This, Scott Norvell, and his groupies, are the ONLY ones on earth in Christendom who can say, "te absolvo."
HERESY !! It was when the Pope tried it, and it still is, regardless of the flowery prose Scott uses to explain it. Here are the verses thrown in the face of the Pope which caused Vatican II to drop the heresy, and it fits Scott's need to repent of playing God:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
"Author and finisher" means I do NOT need any man, no matter how cool and mighty he appears to be, to be "fully forgiven." This is the finished work of Jesus Christ.
Scott Norvell, and all his disciples at large, are NOT co-mediators. This noxious doctrine gives Scott power over Christians to first claim power to deliver them of devils, and then to forgive their sins, and ONLY SCOTT has this power. This is a classic trait of a cultic guru-- make yourself the only source and salvation of the masses so that they cannot get deliverance of peace from anyone else.
Note also that Scott, "sprinkles them with the Blood of Jesus." Blasphemy. That is again NOT Scott's job.
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Hebrews 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
So, Scott is now robbing the third member of the Godhead of his work-- sprinkling of the Blood. You just read it-- what do I need to say? If you are not brain dead, you have figured it out. Scott believes the Devil he claims to cast out:
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Two Roman Catholic doctrines-- priests forgive sins, and priests administer the Blood of Christ (as in the Mass).
As to militancy, here is our article on the End Times Handmaidens and Servants, a fierce and secretive Charismatic cult that has been around for some time. I see the buss words of this movement all through the web sites of Terra Forming.
You have seen the Charismatic Manifest sons of God, Wiccan Violet Flame of Saint Germain, and militant Catholic forces merging into one stream in Terra Forming. I told you there might be more, and it comes last.
While doing research, I did indeed find a fourth factor in Terra Forming.
I am convinced that Terra Forming is also a Hebrews Roots clone. Here is an example of their guru's notions on Hebrewizing their movement. They also encourage their people to learn Hebrew.
Read our section on Hebrew Roots heresy.
Please notice that he starts out by saying he was going to read a text, but he then tells the listener to go read it himself. This is the foundational text for the message. When a Bible teacher is "rightly dividing the Word of truth" he ALWAYS reads the leading text. He does not stumble around giving bits and pieces of it and expect the listener to take him seriously. This shows just how utterly gullible his followers are. They approve of the sloppy preaching.
We have another brother doing a critique on this whole message, which will be posted on this site.
Paul Crouch of TBN has been divorced by his wife, Benny Hinn also has been divorced, and TBN is in the hands of Crouch's son who is trashing it. Jack Van Impe has left TBN, but it is too late-- Jack has totally lost his testimony by courting the Pope hugging Crouch mob.
Also, Kenneth Copeland is aging and out of circulation, Kenneth Hagan is long gone to his reward and was warmly received I am sure. Rodney "Fats" Howard Browne is history. Only Rick Joyner is left trying to nurse the last moments of fame out of Charismania. I have been wondering when the next star would rise our of the abyss, and it is now shining in all its demonic glory.
This Terra Forming is a synthesis of all the worst in Charismania, and it brings in a New Age mystic touch talking about cleaning the air, the atmosphere. This is not idle stuff folks. The air has a ruler already according to the Word of God:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
When we challenge the power of the air, we better have a full load of Bible based doctrine and faith. Terra Reforming is the same old signs and wonders monkeyshines with a gullible awe struck, almost childish, gullibility. Those who join the show and venture into the alleged air will find that they are possessed of devils.
The devils that manifested in holy laughter and the Hinn and Oral Roberts circus are antsy for a new show. They have found it in Scott Norvell.
God made the world, he made atonement for man, and he placed the world under a curse to drive men to God to seek salvation. So, when will God lift the curse? Answer: ONLY after the Great Tribulation after man has been totally humbled, and unbelief will have been destroyed. Without the curse, we have no hope of winning souls. Man NEEDS the curse to convince him of his cursed nature. Yes, the curse will be lifted one day, but ONLY by Jesus Christ:
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Yet, Christ was rejected and crucified. He rose again, but the miracles stopped. The deliverance he demonstrated by reversing the curse in Israel during his lifetime has been deferred. Who can change that? Scott Norvell? NO! It must again be done by only Jesus Christ at his return-- personally. He will NOT share the glory of that event with anyone, for he bought the right to do it himself. Unless, of course, Scott Norvell is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. I suspect he is not qualified for a number of reasons.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Only a spiritual jerk and jackass would claim that God handed him the responsibility to remove the curse when it took the Blood of Jesus Christ to gain the right to do that.
Scott Norvell, and his aspiring friends, are not willing to wait:
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
We wait, Christ waits. When the Father gives the Son the command to gather his Bride to himself, ONLY THEN will we be delivered of our groaning over the curse. I gather Scott Norvell imagines he can zap the creation and lift the curse at will. Well, Scott, Texas is full of a vine we simply call brambles. We also have Spanish digger plants. They rip our clothes, and they are almost impossible to kill. Please come to the Texas Hill Country, dead Scotty, and zap the thorns off of the brambles. Until you do, you are a bag full of hot air. Come on, buddy, wave your powerful finger over Texas.
What is it that Scott Norvell is not content with? Answer: The job Christ assigned to believers. Scott wants more power and more authority. This is what bores him to death:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
In the Church Age, Paul said:
2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
You are NOT called to wipe out the curse, for ultimately that involves the wicked being massacred. You, and Scott Norvell, cannot be trusted to tell who qualifies to be killed. Jesus will do that during the Great Tribulation. Of course, if you are fool enough to believe there is no Great Tribulation, nor is there a literal one thousand year Kingdom reign of Christ, then by all means start killing the wicked. If you think that will lift the curse though, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW UTTERLY WICKED YOUR OWN HEART IS.
The issue is not that we command the curse to go away, the issue is, can we persevere under great persecution?
What is the primal blunder in Scott Norvell's teaching? What is the great "sinking sand" of his teaching?
I believe I see it clearly. I will give you the stated fact from science, and then from the Word of God:
Entropy according to the Laws of Thermodynamics
In all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state.
In other words, if we don't get help from outside this world, we all run down from higher states to lower states. That law cannot be broken. Even when Jesus healed people, they still died later. Jesus set aside this law which he created in nature when he did miracles, but he did NOT do away with the law ultimately.
The help from outside comes ONLY from Jesus Christ in his Messianic Kingdom, as is proven elsewhere in this discussion.
Entropy according to the Law of God
2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
Psalms 90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Scott is in a demonic hurry to end the curse ahead of schedule.
The miracle is that we can continue at all, not take charge of the whole world and chase devils around, and certainly not to remove the curse. We can see that sin and evil have become endemic in the whole world. We also sense that Satan and his devils, who are finite, have learned from watching fallen man for about 6000 years, and our adversary is possibly more informed as to our vulnerabilities.
So, simply persevering should be a great delight to us. If it were not for Christ, we would be doomed to lose. Christ, though he does not reverse the curse in the Church Age, promised that we would have spiritual victory:
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Is that not enough for a God fearing saint? Scott seems to crave Superman status. Well, buddy, it ain't gonna happen. You cannot be born again if you cannot be content in the state in which Christ put you:
Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Scott-- What do you "want" ("lack" is meant by the king James English) that you have to thrash the air for in Miami or El Paso?
The only thing I can thank Scott Norvell for is that he set the battle in array in Texas. As long as God can use me, in spite of my afflictions, I shall exalt his Word and invite my readers to "search all things."
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE RELEASING PRINCIPLE.
It parallels the "binding" folly of Charismatics in the 1970s and 1980s.
EXAMPLE OF SPIRITUALIZING THE PHYSICAL ATMOSPHERE
This is a lot of rubbish with NO biblical basis. Scott Norvell also spiritualizes the earth's atmosphere. This is doubtless because of his fascination with science fiction.
HERE IS A LOT OF URBAN LEGEND TYPE RUBBISH
ADDED TO A VERY SPARSE BIBLICAL BASE
This comes from a science fiction mentality.
TERRAFORMING IS A STEP AT THE CHURCH HOUSE TOWARD BELIEF--
BUT, WHAT IF IT GOES HERE?
IS TERRA FORMING A DISCIPLINE FOR FREAKS?
This bright child shows us the mind set of the founders of terra forming. Should Bible believers be building on THIS foundation?
The science based terraforming notions are well explained in the theory that we must inhabit Mars to survive on earth. I am sorry, but these people are serious, and they are just about as mad as Scott Norvell:
Too many scientists were baby sat by Leonard Nemoy.
Scott Norvell is NOT on the street lifting the curse. He is not salt where Jesus would have been salt. He is a famous Amos seeking attention. Well, if you want to be salt, and lift the curse possibly for a few minutes, you will have to settle for something like this. 35+ million hits on YouTube:
Until Jesus Christ comes back in power and great glory, the curse is here to stay.
The MESSAGE is new, and that is the only thing that will change anyone.
If you wanted to be hated by mankind, and if you wanted to make all people who have no faith believe you are a beast, what would you do? Answer: Try to take away their freedom of choice, a freedom which God WANTS them to use. Over and over in the Word of God men are invited to believe or not to believe, even under the Law of Moses. When you discuss how to force men to stop being wicked and obey the Gospel, you become what Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher try to make of you.
The problem is, when you give men choice, some of them stay with the curse, and they behave in cursed ways. I have to believe, from reading the writings of Bill Britton of Missouri, of the Manifest Sons of God, Rick Joyner, and of Scott Norvell, that when these creeps talk about forcing people to believe, they are talking about ME. They crave the day when the biblical skeptic, who examines all things with a King James Bible, will bow at their altars.
Well, I live in Texas, and we have a Capital Domain Law here. Try to force the curse out of me, and you will get a bullet in the head, Scotty boy. I am not above shooting a "bastard son" who serves Satan and threatens my safety and my family's peace. I happen to trust my soul to no one for curse extraction but Jesus Christ. He has not gotten the best results in me I suspect, but I am pleased enough with his work in my life that I want nothing to do with your rubbish.
Change the world as Christ told you to:
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Also, as you see, I have used a lot of Scripture here. This is because I am totally subject to the Word of God. Prove I use the Word wrong, and I will make corrections. Scott Norvell throws around hundreds of Scripture references without actually placing the verses in his writing. This is an old trick to make you believe he is a great Bible teacher.
I am sure I have missed the totality of this spiritual scam. Please SEND MAIL with your observations and testimony of how you were taken in by this cult. I would like to post some people's experiences (I will conceal your identity or course).
There are a couple of other Bible believers who will be doing work on this cult upcoming. One is a really fine young preacher in the U.K. http://www.timefortruth.co.uk/ The other is http://www.kingjamesvideoministries.com/ a little KJB zealot from the mid-west. Scott Norvell is promoted by Bill Johnson of the K.C. boys and girls. He also re-packages many of Bill Hamon"s Manifest Sons junk, then claims Jesus told him..yak,yak.
Steve we are now entering a new phase of anti-christ deception this stuff is just the baby milk (though dangerous) the meat of this filth is coming, The Jesuits are the principalities and the charismatic preachers among others are the wicked spirits. Soon to come will be all out persecution against Bible believers, ending in human sacrifice. Yes, I believe Jesus is coming.
But the Hugenots, Vaudois, Donatists, Waldenses, and Anabaptists were not exempt and we will not be either if the Lord tarries. Under the reign of Henry V a man named Lord Cobham said, " but as touching the Pope and his spirituality, I owe him neither suit nor service; forasmuch as I know him by the scriptures to be the great Antichrist, the son of perdition, the open adversary of God, and the abomination standing in the holy place ". Lord Cobham was then ceremoniously burnt.
The reason I bring all this up is that we are about to experience this again but this time on a grander scheme and larger by Satan. May we be ever vigilant.
you flushed a devil out of the bushes. My mother-in-law sent your blog article to one of those local Terra Forming nuts. He came out blasting her, but she"s holding steady for now. They are making fantastic lying claims in that local area. They claim they are tearing down the devils strong holds in that city, they claim they stopped the Mayfest from taking place through their prayer march in that city.
We investigated they lied.
They claim they stopped accidents at a dangerous intersection, again they lied.
They claim they are going to Terra Form the whole city, bringing in a reign of righteousness. Their pastor whose name is John Paul Cruz (can you believe that, JOHN PAUL ) said he was driving to Houston and asked his god for a vision, all the sudden he saw a truck pass by with a sign on it that said, TERRA RENEW. He said that a few days ago he had a bad headache, god told him to put his head on a ladies feet, he said I did and I was healed. They are going all over the city reading peoples minds in public, they say they setting people free all over town.
They are re-naming people in their church, like they re-named a girl Palet because she"s an artist. So I re-named their pastor, A.C. Pope. Well, I"ve trespassed on your kind patience enough.
"The purpose for your email was to give people an opportunity to hear another opinion on terraforming. I am open to that. However, before I hear anyone's opinion on anything....I research the person giving the opinion. If that person's core beliefs are questionable, their opinions are useless and rendered in-valid. Thus the purpose for my comments.
As a constant seeker of truth, I am open to receive instruction and information which will help us to live this kingdom journey to our fullest victory. I cannot however, respect, honor, or take seriously any information on any subject that comes from Steve Van Nattan. I did not casually glance at his website, but basically spent most of this afternoon reading and discovering who he was. In so doing, I disqualified him as anyone I would take instruction from. I advise others to disqualify him as well and not give credence to what he says.
There are many, many comments on his website that I personally take issue with. However, the most important disqualifiers to me are the following statements from his resume. I type exactly as he states.
1. "Charismatic Movements- I will not tolerate it in my church. Those who come from such groups will be examined as to whether they have genuine salvation." (Thus, we would be examined and re-indoctrinated)
2. "I expose by name local and famous heretics (which in the title of this section he calls the Wolf) and wandering stars by showing their teachings and wicked acts." He lists examples of these wolves as: Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts (whom he dishonors by calling Oily Roberts) Jack Van Impe, Billy Graham, Chuck Swindoll, Rodney Howard Browne, Robert Schuller (whom he dishonors by calling Ichabod) Dr. James Dobson, John Hagee, and many more." The " local heretics" he names as the Gideons whom he calls "political hucksters".
From the expose on Terraforming, he states "One mode of demonic transfer in Christian cults is the "laying on of hands" which is Hindu occultism." (Never mind I guess, Jesus words "You will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover".) Also, "The devils that manifested in holy laughter and the Hinn and Oral Roberts circus are antsy for a new show".
Also, he names Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Rodney Howard Browne, and Rick Joyner as ministers who all came from the "abyss". One last observation, he posts a link to an article in reference to the World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs, which he discredits.
I (and ministerial friends) went to a worship conference which was held at New Life Church, the church who built and owns the WPC. We had the privilege of staying adjacent to the Center and visiting it at our leisure. It was one of the most phenomenal prayer centers I have ever seen. Its work for the advancement of prayer is known and respected throughout the Christian community nationally and internationally.
I appreciate your desire to give information and your heart to be helpful. However, I take issue with your source. I would very much appreciate the courtesy of your forwarding this email to all of the undisclosed recipients of your earlier email. I want them to understand this man has many targets other than the Norvell"s. Men who make it their purpose to slander and discredit ministries and ministers are not productive to the Kingdom of God. Anyone who would call Billy Graham or Dr. James Dobson "wolves with wicked acts" loses all credibility."
Great! We are right on target, and this fellow makes the lines of warfare very clear. We are not dealing with simply a narrow Charismatic aberration. We are dealing with a very ecumenical combination of fellow travelers. I count it all joy and a great blessing to be at war with the real enemy of our souls. By the way, I have changed virtually nothing in the letter from the barking dogs. Only the blue text in parenthesis was changed to protect my source.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
I am very disappointed in the writer of the above note, for he failed to give examples of all the wicked ones I have exposed over the years. Here are some samples so that, if you like his prose, you will be able to join him in attacking me more effectively:
FINALLY, THE CHURCH OF SHIRLEY GOD
Ezekiel 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
THE WORD OUT:
I expect to be attacked for this article. I would be shocked if I were not. So, as always with such articles, I invite you to post this article AS IS at your web site so that it will be up there for the saints' benefit. This cult is going worldwide.