have decided to treat this heresy distinctly from the other cults, though the
lunatic fringe of Christianity is almost always nutty as a fruitcake in regard
need to have much more evidence to expose those teaching heresies of angel worship,
and we need studies from the Word by Bible believers on the subject.
Timothy 6:20 O Timothy,
keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings,
and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Lallibela of the Ethiopian Coptic Church became so godly that one of his legs
fell off, and God let him fly around heaven with the angels for seven years. Someone
should tell Alex Jones about this. And, I bet Dimitri Duduman would have claimed
the same thing if he had been told about it.
GUEST WRITER ON ANGELS
AND GIANTS IN GENESIS:
Steve Van Nattan-- As far as I am concerned, a lot of Bible teachers these days
are trying to build a following of wide eyed gullible groupies who cut their teeth
on Art Bell. This feeds a lot of prophecy monkeyshines, and it has resulted in
two heresies NOT found in the literal use of the Bible.
is the gap theory, which just is NOT there. The gap in creation gives the creative
imagination a place to wander about in a biblical Jurassic Park setting of weird
deformed beast ruined by devils. The notion that dinosaurs are ruined by devils
is highly suspect since God may think they were just wonderful.
second area of wide eyed gullibility based on Mother Goose hermeneutic is women
marrying angels. This guest writer does a great job of laying that one to rest.
I am amazed at some of the men who call themselves literal biblicists who launch
into fantasy with this business.
last thought-- If a great well known Bible teacher launches off into the deep
waters of imagination and creative interpretation and cannot prove his point from
a literal use of the Word of God, do you jump into the boat with him based only
on his reputation? This is a very deadly problem in the Lord's Church today--
people who don't think they have the duty to test the great teachers. The Bereans
check up on Paul's teaching by comparing it with the Old Testament. Paul called
them more noble than others who believed him without question.
monsters, demons, ETs, Yannis and greys, Ananuki, zombies, ghosts, and the paranormal?
From demigod gladiators, warrior goddesses, to mystical creatures of all that
is grotesque, vile, and a caricature of our Makers creation; never in our history
have we seen so much fascination, exposure and the pre occupation of such a rigmarole
of fantasy and make-believe. I say fantasy and make-believe, because ninety
odd percent of what the public view as the supernatural is just that ...
pure fantasy ('nonsense' could even be a better word)! With a satanic agenda
no doubt, of brainwashing the masses, in the name of entertainment, and making
make-believe appear normal through hi tech and cunning deception:
Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they
might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the
earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of
the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image
to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and
Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his
angels were cast out with him.
With the purpose of making it look normal and possible for alien, mystical, or
supernatural creatures, to have free physical access, even sexual contact, in
the everyday affairs of man. With the purpose of making it look real and
inevitable that we are, or soon will be, on a crash course with friendly or hostile
extraterrestrials coming down from outer space, when the bible is clear this invasion
is from inner space, the lower world, by evil creatures who are pure foe.
All for the purpose in order to prepare and deceive man for the reign of the beast.
Appealing to the flesh or the spirit?
are not going to use the Apocrypha or any other book or writing on this subject.
Forget about theological massaging techniques and warm fuzzies, we
will just use the Holy Bible with a wee bit of history and archaeological back
up, confirming the Bible.
is very precise and clear as it divides asunder two groups of children in regards
to mankind in the spiritual sense. One is fallen, and the other redeemed.
We have the 'children of the flesh' (the sons of men) and 'the children of God'
(the sons of God), the righteous seed, also known as children of the promise:
9:8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the
children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Then there is another
realm of creatures, in the spiritual, where angels or spirits exist in a parallel,
but different world and different plane, having access to man spiritually, only
through the loop hole of seducing or manipulating man to concede to their lies
think if spirit beings had access to the daughters of men today, they may be able
to come and carry your wife away when you were busy away at work, and use her
to produce a family of humanoids. And there would be nothing you, or anyone
could do about it (apart from 'the Men In Black' or 'Ghost Busters'). Really!!??
If it worked then (pre historic 'alien abduction' that is) ... why not now?
Can you now
see such folly in this teaching? Because there is a school of thought today
which promotes two classes of sons of God ... one human and the other angelic.
This one gets the approval of both Christians and Mystics together. However,
I cannot, for the breath of me, find one verse in the Bible which conclusively
supports angels as being termed 'children' (please let me know if you can prove
the otherwise?). There's also no biblical evidence to show angels grew up
from babies or could link them with babies. Stick to the scriptures and
I promise you the scriptures will dispel all forms of confusion along with the
complicated schools of human thought, which are out to undermine your bible replacing
it with their so-called "expert" interpretation of the truth, in order for truth
to loose out, so people will not come to a knowledge of the truth and be saved.
We must also
remember that Jesus said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that
which is born of the Spirit is spirit. So how can what is flesh be born
from what is spirit". Jesus said it simply could not be done! Should
this not be the end of the story?
teaching today; with the help of the Sci-fi industry, Hollywood and our wildest
sensual imaginations; has tried to convince us that angels, even devils, can have
sexual relations with women in the physical sense and even breed their children
from women. With the secular industry marketing these creatures, from aliens
to demons (lessor gods), marrying them up with the theological industry marketing
them as angels. Along with the theory these angels fell from grace through
sexual violation with womankind, whereas scripture reveals they fell from Heaven
(not on earth) when they supported Lucifer in heaven, following His rebellious
crusade of usurping God. The scripture they use to justify their claim about
angels sexually intermingling with mankind is:
6:2. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose." Verse 4 ... "and
they bare children to them".
prove that spiritual beings and humans can physically engage sexually, and interbreed
and produce physical offspring, do you have to scripturally prove that the 'sons
of God' are, or were angelic beings.
is indisputable proof men were called the sons of God in the Old Testament:
Luke 3: 23-38
... the righteous seed lineage in reverse:
was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam,
which was the son of God."
is quite clear here that Adam was the son of God, as a son of God, in the Messianic
lineage! Because if Adam was the son of God, then so was righteous Seth
(who replaced murdered Abel), Enos, and all the righteous lineage from and back
to Jesus. These were indeed the sons of God (plural)! Jesus of course,
being the only begotten Son (capital S) of God (which the Authorized Bible
leaves no room for doubt)!
More scriptural evidence
more rock solid OT proof in regards to the righteousness line from Adam through
to Seth, to Jesus, to the Church:
82:6 ... and all of you are children of the most High (sons and
daughters of God).
14:1. Ye are the children of the LORD your God (that's saints not taints!)
1:10. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the
sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in
the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be
said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God
irrefutable, wouldn't you say!? Men, not spiritual beings, are referred
to as the sons of God in the OT!
43:6. I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back:
bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
to the New Testament with a new criterion:
3:26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
More emphatic proof
convinced? Are you meaning the word of God is not enough? Let's turn
over a few more stones, allowing commonsense to prevail, or go stale:
If 'sons of God' is referring
to angels in the OT (as we have been taught in many circles) then angels still
should be referred to as sonsofGod (especially the unfallen
ones) as I can't see how anything has changed in this area, even with the introduction
of the New Covenant. Also, if angels are neuters (genderless beings) as
Jesus quite specifically points out, then how could they procreate with humans?
If they could, then why aren't fallen angels still doing this with mankind?
Especially now, as it is suppose to be "as it was in the days of Noah"?
Jesus is also quite clear about there being no marriage in heaven, as He
pointed out that we will be like the angels. Therefore ... no procreation!
Which brings me to this scripture:
6:4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after
that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare
children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The scripture above
makes it clear there were already giants on earth at the time the sons of God
came and went into the daughters of men. So there being giants in those
days was nothing out of the ordinary, nor was it a new thing as clearly pointed
out by scripture. However, scripture does show their offspring from the
daughters of men "became mighty men which were of old, and men of renown". Therefore,
even though these humans were gifted, there is no suggestion to believe they were
supernaturally endowed. There is also no suggestion to believe they were
"monsters" even though they were tall large people. Genesis makes it clear
only two of a kind can procreate.
these giant people were the mixture of two types of species; heavenly and earthly,
natural and supernatural, 'flesh and blood' mixed with angelic; then no doubt
they would have been freaks, completely in the "monster" context, if hypothetically
they could somehow mix seeds, even beyond just producing hybrids. And Hollywood
would have a valid point to make, instead of propagating the imagination or fantasy
that alien creatures (devils), or supernatural beings (devils) can produce a generic
master race by breeding or intermingling with humans. Thus justifying mans
endeavor to produce a superman, experimenting with generic engineering and cloning.
Thus entertaining and opening the minds of the deceived masses to a spiritual
invasion of lying and seducing spirits (devils - from inside the earth not outside
the earth) and conditioning the world for the reign of antichrist. Aided
by so-called "biblical" scholarship, who like to mystify the bible instead of
taking it literally.
Existing giants pre and post flood
there were not only individual giants in the new earth pre-flood, but there were
"races" of giants (ten footers plus) post-flood ("also after that" - Gen 6:4),
which the children of Israel had to contend with. These were the sons of Anak,
the Anakims. There is no scriptural record these were the offspring of angelic
beings intermingling with mankind. They too were men of flesh and blood and known
in the end as
"the remnant of the giants" (Deut. 3:11, Josh. 13:12).
The last stronghold
of giants after the Flood. The Lord merely wiped them out due to their idolatry,
if I remember right. After this, was there only remnants (small groups)
of these people. When little David cut off the head of one of these remnant
giants, sorry to be graphic, but what squirted out off Goliath's arteries ...
green dish-like liquid?
is also much (suppressed) archaeological
evidence of other extinct remnants of giants (seven footers plus) in parts of
the world, as well as an African race living today averaging nearly seven foot
tall. A Brother who stayed at our home shared with us how they'd discovered
a roomful of neatly laid out seven foot skeletons in an undersea cavern in one
of the South Sea Islands, after he and his son broke an ancient curse in the name
of Jesus, which had prohibited their discovery or hindered the superstitious Islanders
from entering up to this point in time. Also, there are still occasionally
folk around today who are born with twelve fingers and twelve toes. Even
a member of Royalty in England had twelve fingers. And none of their parents are
an alien would you believe? My father in-law new one girl in Christchurch
with twelve toes, when he was a lad, who apparently, to the best of his memory,
was a normal person. Proves, the remnants of these races are still in our
genes, and are as human as anyone else.
there were giants pre "sons of God" turning up in the pre-flood world, as well
as during, and as well as after. Therefore, giants being labelled unnatural
(or supernatural for that matter) does not really fit the bill in the broader
sense I believe, in great contrast to smaller races like the bushmen of the Kalahari,
or tiny pygmies of the Congo still in existence today. This would mean we
could also label these races unnatural. It also proves that on just one
continent alone, even today, can we have contrasting races existing where their
average height maybe double the average height of the another race. A huge
contrast, even by today's comparisons! So there being giants on the earth
(just like there were giant
reptiles and giant
mammals coexisting at the same time as man) proves nothing whatsoever in regards
to supernatural beings intermingling with mankind. The largest of all creatures
living on earth at any given time of course still exists today ... the blue
whale. Have you given that much thought?
and perverted artists for centuries have portrayed angels as female. They want
them to appeal to the lusts of the viewer. Catholic monks, priests, and Popes
have not official women, so the artists knew that naked cherubs would charm the
sodomite priests, and female angels would please the straight perverted priests.
the Madonna with female angels by Adolphe-William Bouguereau- This artist
is famous for his obsession with nudes.
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and
they took them wives of all which they chose.
we see the sons of God did not come to do straight out evil by purposely intermingling
with earthlings to spoil their seed, as perverted fallen angels would have, going
by all other biblical accounts. But because of the women's beauty they desired
them and took them as wives (married them), which is to do with natural desire,
although this burning natural desire took them into the forbidden territory of
these were not men but angels, would not their intentions have been through a
natural born desire? So why would they have wanted to marry them?
There is no sound logic in this notion!
in the resurrection
(when we go to be
with the Lord)
they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels
of God in heaven (a
clear contradiction to the angels marrying mankind theory - biblically, it can't
these pre Flood marriages were of course only wicked in the sight of God as His
servants were unequally yoking themselves with the unrighteous seed of 'the daughters
of men' opposite to the righteous seed, 'the daughters of God' (Isaiah 43:6 &
2 Cor 14:18)." Just because it says, "they took them wives of all which
they chose", does not necessarily mean they took them by force either. The
sons of God could have been equally seduced by these strange attractive woman,
which reinforced the corruption process.
"Mutiny of the Bounty"? Rebellion always finds an excuse! Sin
is deceitful and so is the heart of man!:
Bligh thought more of his beloved exotic plants, than he did of his crew," was
the notion; where usually a third of the crew in the Royal Navy of that particular
era were ex criminals anyway. The
truth was when they arrived in Tahiti (just like Captain Cook's men, and other
visitors of that era) where they were overcome by the beautiful, without defect,
promiscuous Polynesian women, along with the South Seas laid back lifestyle, that
"they took them wives of all which they chose" and rebelled against their superiors
in order to escape to the "bliss" of wishful thinking!
this have been the problem with 'the sons of God' ... to escape responsibility?
Could this have been the problem of the "Christian" crew of the Bounty, if I can
use this illustration? Leaving the plumb line that was set in order, to
pursue whoredom and gratification, with strange women?:
15:39. And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it,
and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not
after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
Corinthians 15:33: Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
Corinthians 14: Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath
light with darkness?
17 & 18: Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith
the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be
a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
how we continue to be a son of God I believe ... by separating ourselves
from whoredom both spiritually and physically.
look at John 1:12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power
to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
And that's how we qualify
to be a son of God I believe ... by being born again.
the OT there were saints (sons of God), because they looked forward, towards the
cross by faith (Heb 11). In the NT is there saints (sons of God) because
we look back to the cross by faith.
Here is proof in regards to believers in the OT
2:12. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
towards the cross).
Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
There is a teaching around
that OT saints did not have the Holy Ghost before Pentecost in Acts Two.
They also say the Lord could not be in you then pre cross. But why did David
ask the Lord not to remove the Holy Spirit from him? Psalms 51: 10 &11?
Here's indisputable proof the Holy Ghost was in them (His chosen) pre cross:
Peter 1:11. Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ
which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the
sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
there were believers pre cross, who were also called saints, and were also called
the sons, or children of God.
have used Jude 6-7 as
proof and to point out the sons of God were somehow angels in the OT:
1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the
great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
were giving themselves over to fornication here? Answer (which is quite
clear) ... the inhabitants (men) of Sodom and Gomorrah!
were going after strange flesh (the same gender) here? Answer (which is
quite clear) ... the inhabitants (men) of Sodom and Gomorrah! Certainly
not angels. In fact Gen. 19:5 records the opposite.
way I read this (unless it is my dyslexia kicking in?) is that Jude is not referring
to the angels in regards to giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, but the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, using them as a comparison.
These cities were judged because of these acts of trespassing, just as the rebellious
angels were judged by their acts of trespassing. Paul is giving a comparison
in saying how the angels left their first estate and were judged, just as the
inhabitants of the cities (flesh and blood) left their righteous state and lowered
themselves to degradation, were also judged.
Again, the angels did not commit the sexual sins, but the people in the two cities
(although, no doubt, because the cities population were influenced by the fallen
evil spirits). And remember, this was after the flood. My argument
again ... if angels were physically committing sexual sins with mankind
(even causing offspring) before the flood, and again now after the flood,
would they still be doing it today, as well as having offspring. Hypothetically,
scripture also makes provision for this to take part, if it was possible, as it
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also
in the days of the Son of man. Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was
in the days of Lot (the days of Sodom and Gomorrha).
just can't see any evidence, nor scriptural backing, of (fallen) angels meddling
with woman today in a physical sexual way, having physical relationships of any
sort (apart from fantasy stories and what movies and TV portrays), let alone taking
them for wives. The only thing I see happening, which has happened since the fall,
is the evil spirits "spiritual" influence over man, manipulating and arousing
mans sensual appetites and sexual drives, causing all types of sin, from the lessor
to the gross and most degrading. Hence, fantasizing to the degree of 'make-believe'
between the two species, from Hollywood to the pulpits, in feeding man's fleshly
we need to look at the last distortion and notion of fallen angels being 'the
sons of God' misusing the book of Job to prove this teaching. Let's compare
the following two verses together:
was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD"
(repeated as Job 1:6
the same sense as "there was a day when his sons
and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house
does not rule out Job accompanying the sons of God before the Lord
Now the scriptures don't
precisely say Job was at this feast in his son's house. But we can presume
(in the context) that the messenger came to Job when he was at the feast.
Just the same way we can conclude that Job was presenting himself to the Lord
with the other sons of God. Although scripture does not specifically say
he was there, it also does not rule out that he was not there. He was a
son of God after all, was he not? Definitely not a son of Satan! Scripture
is clear that what we give ourselves over to are we servants of! Either
God's or Satan's! Either children of the Devil or children of God!
And Job was indisputably a son of God.
John 3:10. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of
the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God
we have it! Either a child of the devil, or a child of God. Which
one was Job?
Satan the pretender
when Satan came before the Lord he was coming among the sons of God as an impostor
and accuser. He came as a son of God. A counterfeit son. Accusing
instead of ministering.
did he manage to infiltrate a group of men on earth? The clue is given in
Job 1:7 & 2:2 when he answered the Lord's question about where he came from:
1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the
LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down
Satan, as a disembodied spirit (just like his other devils) had taken over someone
in those days as he did with Belshazzar, King of Babylon. As he did with
Judas (infiltrating the sons of God NT style - the disciples). As he will
with the Antichrist (who travels to and fro throughout the earth). This
way he can physically walk and travel the earth, and sit on a physical throne.
came to God in the Book of Job physically as a man (among God's people),
just as he came physically as a serpent to Eve (a type of Church - God's people)
in the Garden, just as he came physically to the second Adam in the Garden (among
God's people) of Gethsemane through Judas.
There was a (physical) day
angels, as spiritual beings, are not governed by time. Therefore, Job chapters
1:6 & 2:1 ("there was a day when the sons of God ..."
) cannot refer to angels as it was on a physical day (like a sabbath day
e.g.) the sons of God came before the Lord. In the same context as the physical
sons of Job having a feast at home as 1:13 ("there was a
day when his sons ..." - like a passover day
angels can't be called the sons of God then what should they be called?
Scripture has a simple answer; merely ... the angels of God! For reference
sake: Genesis 28:12, 32:1; Luke 12:8, 12:9, 15:10; John 1:51;
and Hebrews 1:6.
Matt. 22:30? For in the resurrection they neither
marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Following do we have
the contrast of the sons of God and the angels of God in unison,
as both worship their same God in spirit:
38:7. When the morning stars
('the angels of God' in heaven) sang together, and
all 'the sons of God' (on earth) shouted for
also, that sons are born and angels are created!
tells us that angels are always ministering before the Lord, spiritually, and
are not governed by time. Unlike ... "the sons of men snared
in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them (Ecc.
9:12)". In contrast to the 'sons of God', who worship God in spirit
and in truth.
John 3:1. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not,
because it knew him not.
story follows as an apoligetic for angels veneration-- Uncut and unedited:
our lives we are blessed with spiritual experiences, some of which are very sacred
and confidential, and others, although sacred, are meant to be shared.
Last summer my
family had a spiritual experience that had a lasting and profound impact on us,
one we feel must be shared. It's a message of love.
It's a message of regaining perspective, and restoring proper balance and renewing
priorities. In humility, I pray that I might, in relating this story, give you
a gift my little son, Brian, gave our family one summer day last year.
On July 22nd I was enroute
to Washington DC for a business trip. It was all so very ordinary, until we landed
in Denver for a plane change. As I collected my belongings from the overhead bin,
an announcement was made for Mr. Lloyd Glenn to see the United Customer Service
I thought nothing of it until I reached the door to leave the plane and I heard
a gentleman asking every male if they were Mr. Glenn. At this point I knew something
was wrong and my heart was racing.
When I got off the plane a solemn-faced young man came toward me and said, "Mr.
Glenn, there is an emergency at your home. I do not know what the emergency is,
or who is involved, but I will take you to the phone so you can call the hospital."
was now pounding, but the will to be calm took over.
Woodenly, I followed this stranger to the distant telephone where I called the
number he gave me for the Mission Hospital. My call was put through to the trauma
center where I learned that my three-year-old son had been trapped underneath
the automatic garage door for several minutes, and that when my wife had found
him he was dead. CPR had been performed by a neighbor, who is a doctor, and the
paramedics had continued the treatment as Brian was transported to the hospital.
By the time
of my call, Brian was revived and they believed he would live, but they did not
know how much damage had been done to his brain, nor to his heart. They explained
that the door had completely closed on his little sternum right over his heart.
He had been severely crushed. After speaking with the medical staff, my wife sounded
worried but not hysterical, and I took comfort in her calmness.
The return flight seemed
to last forever, but finally I arrived at the hospital six hours after the garage
door had come down. When I walked into the intensive care unit, nothing could
have prepared me to see my little son laying so still on a great big bed with
tubes and monitors everywhere. He was on a respirator. I glanced at my wife who
stood and tried to give me a reassuring smile. It all seemed like a terrible dream.
I was filled-in with the details and given a guarded prognosis.
Brian was going to live,
and the preliminary tests indicated that his heart was ok, two miracles in and
of themselves. But only time would tell if his brain received any damage Throughout
the seemingly endless hours, my wife was calm. She felt that Brian would eventually
be all right. I hung on to her words and faith like a lifeline. All that night
and the next day Brian remained unconscious. It seemed like forever since I had
left for my business trip the day before.
Finally at two o'clock that afternoon, our son regained consciousness and sat
up uttering the most beautiful words I have ever heard spoken. He said, "Daddy
hold me" and he reached for me with his little arms. [TEAR BREAK...smile]
By the next
day he was pronounced as having no neurological or physical deficits, and the
story of his miraculous survival spread throughout the hospital. You cannot imagine
our gratitude and joy.
As we took Brian home we felt a unique reverence for the life and love of our
Heavenly Father that comes to those who brush death so closely. In the days that
followed there was a special spirit about our home. Our two older children were
much closer to their little brother. My wife and I were much closer to each other,
and all of us were very close as a whole family. Life took on a less stressful
pace. Perspective seemed to be more focused, and balance much easier to gain and
We felt deeply blessed.Our gratitude was truly profound.
The story is not over (smile)!
Almost a month later to the day of the accident, Brian awoke from his afternoon
nap and said, "Sit down mommy. I have something to tell you." At this time in
his life, Brian usually spoke in small phrases, so to say a large sentence surprised
my wife. She sat down with him on his bed and he began his sacred and remarkable
"Do you remember when I got stuck under the garage door? Well, it was so heavy
and it hurt really bad. I called to you, but you couldn't hear me. I started to
cry, but then it hurt too bad. And then the 'birdies' came." "The birdies?" my
wife asked puzzled. "Yes," he replied. "The birdies made a whooshing sound and
flew into the garage. They took care of me.""They did?" "Yes" he said. "One of
the birdies came and got you. She came to tell you I got stuck under the door."
reverent feeling filled the room. The spirit was so strong and yet lighter than
air. My wife realized that a three-year-old had no concept of death and spirits,
so he was referring to the beings who came to him from beyond as "birdies" because
they were up in the air like birds that fly.
"What did the birdies look like?" she asked. Brian answered,"They were so beautiful.
They were dressed in white, all white. Some of them had green and white. But some
of them had on just white." "Did they say anything?" "Yes", he answered. "They
told me the baby would be alright." The baby?" my wife asked confused. Brian answered.
"The baby laying on the garage floor." He went on, "You came out and opened the
garage door and ran to the baby. You told the baby to stay and not leave."My wife
nearly collapsed upon hearing this, for she had indeed gone and knelt beside Brian's
body and seeing his crushed chest and recognizable features, knowing he was already
dead, she looked up around her whispered,"Don't leave us Brian, please stay if
As she listened to Brian telling her the words she had spoken,she realized that
the spirit had left his body and was looking down from above on this little lifeless
form. "Then what happened?" she asked. "We went on a trip." He said, "far, far
away." He grew agitated trying to say the things he didn't seem to have the words
for. My wife tried to calm and comfort him, and let him know it would be okay.
with wanting to tell something that obviously was very important to him, but finding
the words was difficult. "We flew so fast up in the air. They're so pretty Mommy."
he added. "And there is lots and lots of birdies." My wife was stunned.
Into her mind the sweet
comforting spirit enveloped her more soundly, but with an urgency she had never
Brian went on to tell her that the "birdies" had told him that he had to come
back and tell everyone about the "birdies". He said they brought him back to the
house and that a big fire truck, and an ambulance were there. A man was bringing
the baby out on a white bed and he tried to tell the man that the baby would be
okay, but the man couldn't hear him. He said the birdies told him he had to go
with the ambulance, but they would be near him. He said, they were so pretty and
so peaceful, and he didn't want to come back.
Then the bright light came. He said that the light was so bright and so warm,
and he loved the bright light so much. Someone was in the bright light and put
their arms around him, and told him, "I love you but you have to go back. You
have to play baseball, and tell everyone about the birdies. "Then the person in
the bright light kissed him and waved bye-bye. Then woosh, the big sound came
and they went into the clouds.
The story went on for an hour. He taught us that "birdies" were always with us,
but we don't see them because we look with our eyes and we don't hear them because
we listen with our ears. But they are always there, you can only see them in here
(he put his hand over his heart). They whisper the things to help us to do what
is right because they love us so much.
Brian continued, stating, "I have a plan, Mommy. You have a plan. Daddy has a
plan. Everyone has a plan. We must all live our plan and keep our promises. The
birdies help us to do that cause they love us so much."
In the weeks that followed, he often came to us and told all, or part of it again
and again. Always the story remained the same. The details were never changed
or out of order. A few times he added further bits of information and clarified
the message he had already delivered. It never ceased to amaze us how he could
tell such detail and speak beyond his ability when he talked about his birdies.
he went, he told strangers about the "birdies". Surprisingly, no one ever looked
at him strangely when he did this. Rather, they always got a softened look on
their face and smiled. Needless to say, we have not been the same ever since that
day, and I pray we never will be.
Angel To Watch over You:
Response to "BIRDIES"
above story was sent to me by a reader. I find here the most blasphemous
qualities of the angel cult. This story can be found over and over in pagan religion,
cults, and Eastern Mysticism.
Jesus is not there, nor is any member of the Godhead. They are not
even in the mind of the boy as he tells his story. Those involved were not drawn
to Jesus, which is what Jesus said would happen when biblical truth was present.
All were drawn to the "birdies" and the boy. The "birdies"
were even given the attribute of knowing and propagating "the plan."
continued, stating, "I have a plan, Mommy. You have a plan. Daddy has a plan.
Everyone has a plan. We must all live our plan and keep our promises. The birdies
help us to do that cause they love us so much."
Plan" is the New Age spiritualist term for the coming New Age and the Paradigm
Shift. Anyone familiar with this will be horrified to realize that "The Plan"
is in this humanistic legend, while the Gospel is NOT there.
affections in the heart of everyone in the story are based in previous input from
Satan through Hollywood, Satanic books, demonized neighbors, milquetoast pot bellied
Liberal "ministers" in tombs called churches, and so on. To imagine that
this story is void of presupposition is nonsense. Our whole culture is loaded
with angelology, and if that were not so, Satan has all the power he needs to
introduce new "truth", directly into the minds of people, any time they allow
him to. The history of these people WILL show that they were open to devils.
are the heroes, and are referred to as spirits. Fully one third of the angels
of heaven, before Lucifer fell, also fell with him. The original host of
angels was called innumerable, or too large to count. So, one third of that
host would be a pretty large number of fallen angels. These fallen angels have
no physical bodies, so they crave entry into humans. This small boy, who in God's
sovereign predestination, was NOT going to die at all, is seen as predestined,
indeed "saved", by angels. Do you see the blasphemous terror here? This boy
will spend the rest of his life in reverence of angels, and he will go to hell
in a handbasket. His stupid parents will answer to God for robbing God of the
glory of the boy's physical deliverance.
A false message is given-- The story of the "birdies". We are told
in the Word of God that men believe on Jesus Christ when they hear the Gospel
about him, and they hear when someone preaches. This can be done in the simplest
of places, and with the child in the story, the mother was in an exceptional place
of opportunity at the boys recovery bedside. Rather that "preach" the Gospel of
Jesus Christ to the boy, which is his ONLY source of saving truth, the mother
allowed a devil (in a boy who was devilized) to preach to HER. That is a damned
loser of a mother, and I use "damned" in biblical context here.
one reference is made to the Word of God or Christian truth. "The Plan"
is the doctrine, and this is classic New Age doctrine, NOT Christian. No
one made any effort to even put the events into the context of Christian truth,
which is typical. Some Charismatic and heretic preachers, like the flakes in TBN,
will make an effort to give angel gospel a biblical context, and this is even
more deadly to the simple minded. If you were to meet the people in this story,
they would be very "spiritual", and they would agree to allow YOU to interpret
this event within your belief system, but they would NEVER volunteer it. YOU are
the one to be deceived by their devils.
Sub-Christian doctrines were taught-- There is life on earth (reincarnation)
after death. Out of body activity is experienced, which is NOT in the Word
of God. Rather; the Bible teaches that true saints, after death, are with
the Lord, period! A great light speaks-- This is common to 99% of all out
of body, death, and return, experiences. This is a false resurrection used by
Satan to counterfeit the Death the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The one experiencing
this demonic event NEVER comes back to life and trusts in Jesus Christ for their
salvation-- They have done so themselves. The "light" is the God figure, but the
"light" is in fact a devil, for Satan's servants are sent AS agents of light according
to the Word of God. Lucifer, Satan's primal name, means "light".
Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Thus, we conclude that the
boy in this story was demon possessed, and he undoubtedly still is, as are his
parents. Demon possession commonly creates a false and alternative reality-- It
FEELS and SOUNDS real and pleasant. Satan gives his victims what they crave for
in order to gather them into bondage and Hell.
closing, I must say that I have heard godly men tell of what seemed to be angelic
visitations. They were always in times of extreme crisis, and the angels never
were actually seen, nor did these men have any confirmation of the visitation
as absolute fact. They were never told people that the angels talked to them,
and these men did not claim there was any subsequent need to exalt or make a fuss
over the angels.
THOUGHTS By Steve Van Nattan
If you have had such an
experience, you have only ONE chance of deliverance and salvation. You must
denounce the satanic deception under which you have been deluding yourself. You
must repent of your arrogance againt God, and give God the glory for preserving
your life. And, you must confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus in order
to be saved, and believe in your heart that God has raised Jesus from death to
make you righteous. Any combination of this Bible truth with your own
private "experience" will damn you to hell.
these Bible verses and REPENT!
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth
on him shall not be ashamed.
your angel cult and your death and life reincarnation heresy, and you will go
4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under
heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
context is Jesus Christ.
115:1 Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy
mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
neither my praise to graven images.
apparition of angels or Mary
48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should
my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall
the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting
light, and thy God thy glory.
13:16 Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your
feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it
into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.
IS light which leads to death-- This is the "light" at the end of the tunnel
etc, which we hear about in death and return experiences-- It is NOT the God of
2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto
my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will
curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it
is your damnation-- Curses on you if you will not denounce your fantasies.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of
them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
CAN give glory and rewards if you obey him and believe his gospel of angels.
4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in
our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face
of Jesus Christ.
other source of glory is of Satan.
1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto
you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
angel NEVER told you anything you should believe-- It is all found in Jesus Christ
and His Word ONLY. If your pastor, Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, or any other
source tells you something they were given by an angel, will you believe it? If
so, you are not born again, and you will go to Hell for your assistance to this
satanic program-- Unless you publically repent of "another gospel" and abandon
the false message AND messanger.
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of
his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea,
and the fountains of waters.
you give glory to the angels and their messages, you have no fear of God. He
will send you to Hell for your arrogance, and that is just where you belong. All
the heaven bound believers in ONLY the Word of God should not have to spend eternity
with a jerk like you. Thus God sends such goats as you to Hell. Thank
you Father for this merciful judgment.
16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which
hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
these rebels as they refuse to give God all the Glory, and you too will burn in
Hell and scream for water forever.
22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen,
I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant,
and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book:
a GOOD angel had given John the revelation, John fell on his face to worship.
The angel nearly paniced as he commanded John not to worship him. This
modern teaching of a mystical and fantastic gulf between man and angels, evolved
by stupid people and devils over the centuries, is highly exaggerated. Angels
are FELLOW SERVANTS with people-- they ARE very nearby.
angels serve with us saints to glorify God, and they are seldom, if ever, seen
or observed at work. Good angels do NOT communicate with those whom they
serve on God's behalf. Evil angels serve with Satan and dumb fools to exalt
Satan. Evil angels crave communication with the humans they have captivated.
Good angels reject ALL credit for the message or results. Evil devils
crave ALL the glory. The above story comes into perfect perspective if we
will see it in this light.
I invite you to repent of your Mother Goose doctrines and find your salvation
and deliverance in ONLY the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word. Then Give God
ALL the glory due unto Him.
been a change in me! I have a lovely disposition, that's very strange
in me. and life's as sweet as it can be. I've lots of courage and ambition.
From ev'ry care my mind is free, so I repeat with your permission, there's
been a change in me!
you heard? I married an angel. I'm sure that the change'll be awf'lly
good for me. Have you heard? An angel I married. To heaven she's carried
this fellow with a kiss. She is sweet and gentle, so it isn't strange,
when I'm sentimental, she loves me like an angel. Now you've heard.
I married an angel. this beautiful change will be awf'lly good for me.
Jason R_________ To: email@example.com Subject: The angels Page :)
I just wanted
to make one quick comment about the angels page and point 6 about near death experience
said 99% of all NDE's where of the bright white light variety. This is actually
a large number of NDE's are actually hellish experiences. A good book I might
recommend written by a christian doctor on the topic is
Hell and Back"
he talks about his encounters with patients who after being revived (or during
one revival) they talk of going to hell and how they don't want to go back. Many
of them become christians afterwards :)
couple of his insights are interesting particularly regarding people who go to
hell. In that they never ask why they are there or that its unfair, but that some
of the people who have"gone to heaven" couldn't understand why the being was so
ready to forgive them regardless (cant imagine why ;)
any rate the point was of course that a lot of NDE are hellish experiences and
that the people find thens o profoundly disturbing that they block it from there
memory (like a traumatic road crash etc). The author said you wont get the negative
experiences unless you do interviews on the scene or immediately afterwards.
approached some of the new age nde authors about his findings but they didn't
want to hear and mess up there everybody is forgiven results (surprise surprise)
thought you might like to know
Brother in Christ
are two airheads fanticising clear outside of the Bible. This is madness.
story, but not like any in the Bible. Furthermore, the angels are the center of
attention. That is the Modus Operandi of Pat Robertson. God comes in second in
the whole story.
CCM 7/11 song is allegedly joined by an angel? This, if it is supernatural, is
a devil, not an angel. (7/11 music-- seven words repeated eleven times)
is, either damned to hell humans playing games, or devils. Angels are NEVER said
to be women-- they are male. If angels sing soprano, then they must be sodomites
or had their tonsils out. I mock because these sort of fools must be held only