OF PROMISE KEEPERS
Blessed Quietness Journal-- Steve Van Nattan:
aware that this letter was simply a BRIEF synopsis of what is coming. This
could well be one of our biggest bombs in a long time, since Mary Bee is getting
at the foundation of modern Chaos and feely feely Christendom, and, by finding
Jung and other snakes as the philosophical source, the author is tying the thoughts
processes together. We are working on the historic side of it and have gotten
very close to going to press with a story of intrigue which starts at least with
the Royalty of Europe, the UK in particular, and ends at the altar of Rodney Howard
Browne. Satan is pulling all of his servants together into one massive force,
just as Daniel and John said he would under inspiration.
This article was first posted when Promise Keepers was first
started. It has peaked and waned, but it is still roaring along morphing itself
into new forms and adding new vocabulary. This is the foundation of Promise Keepers,
and it needs to be re-posted.
Bee's first article is at the bottom of this page. I decided to leave the previous
E-Mail in place because Marty Bee discusses several thoughts there which are worthy
to be retained.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Marty Bee)
Thanks for the invite and I will hit it
this week. I spent some time in the library looking for C. G. Jung
and Man and His Symbols which is key to understanding The Masculine Journey
(although the Iron John stuff wanders more toward Bruno Bettelheim.) I also explored
the whole concept of Synchronicity, or consequences that are guided by unknown
forces (VERY Jung).
I also surfed on over to the resources
you quote on Chaos. Their thing seems also to be a twist on Jung in that they
are tapping out the unconscious or archetypal images. The Chaos magicians are
not interested in archetypes so much as inventing their own private cosmology
as they go along (kind of like Wimber and friends, do something and if it works
make it part of the religion (Wimber) or ritual (Chaos magicians.) Look up WIRED
magazines on the techno pagans for more information on these guys.
Chaos theory on the other hand, with mathematics, is another bird entirely. It
is looking at very large numbers or sets of patterns to find a larger "fractal"
or design. Not necessarily occult in and of itself but the Chaos magicians may
have "hijacked" the math for themselves.
Chaos in the ART
world is very definitely an occult practice in that the sculptor is using a modified
"Jungian" approach with a sort of "automatic" sculpting as the "spirit" or "demon"
leads. Henry Morris says in his book on education that the arts and humanities
very easily slip into the world of the mystic.
theory does delve into Eastern thought with books such as the "Tao of Physics"
and the "Dancing Wu Li Masters." What we may be seeing is a whole new mindset
that is able to accommodate the "magical" right along with the "scientific." Something
only hinted at in a book (I can't remember the author) "The Twisted Cross." The
author says that the Nazis had effectively combined science and sorcery.
So now if we take the above and apply it to what we see in PK
(as a microcosm) we see truth mixed with error as far as speakers and conference
goers. The group is making up their spirituality as they go along! I received
the poster to go the "Sacred Assembly" from PK today, it smells of dominion thinking
and the Latter Rain folks. This is a form of the Chaos magic you saw above. I
don't believe that there is any call to a nation to come to a "sacred assembly"
as McCartney is asking for.
Well enough of that for now
(I saved this letter to add to what I write later). My best to you and my prayers
are for what you are doing... I really didn't realize what was afoot until I started
doing the research on the Holy Ha Ha stuff.
Here is the article!!
The Masculine Journey,
the Goddess, the Phallic
man and Jung
And when they heard
these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana
of the Ephesians. (Acts 19:28)
As an Ex-Promise
Keeper I can say that the thing that got me interested in the beginning WAS the
Masculine Journey. At the juncture I was in my life, middled-aged, bald and fat,
in what appeared to be a dead end job, the thought that this was my "wounded warrior"
phase appealed to me. The thought that I would "come through" this and be more
successful as a "mature man" on the other end. Nothing could be farther from biblical
truth. I would refer all men going through a "mid-life" crisis to Caleb in the
book of Joshua; Joshua 14:10-12 In this stirring message Caleb tells Joshua that
the Lord has kept him alive for 45 years and now he asks Joshua to "give him the
mountain" so he can go and battle giants. Now this is a model of manhood! Still
feisty and ready to do battle at 85. That's the kind of man I want to be like.
But the critique of Masculine Journey and the Promise Keeper movement doesn't
stop here. In my investigation of the Holy Laughter movement it led me to the
Of Jung and the Masculine Journey: Hicks
denies being influenced by Jung but the models he presents as phases of manhood
are thinly disguised versions of the same archetypes used in Jung's "Man and His
Symbols." "The Wild Man" in Jung could correspond to the Adamic Male in Hicks,
primitive and free; the Phallic man the "Trickster or Coyote" in Jung; the Warrior
is the "Hero" of Jung, and the Wounded Warrior is the "Wounded King." Lastly the
Sage is the "Wise Man" of Jung. All of these come with pictures in the paperback
version of Man and His Symbols.
As to the idea of Jesus
being a "phallic kind of guy." The only image that comes to my mind is from the
"Villa of the Mysteries" in Pompeii. Here the partially clothed female postulant
is cowering from the whip blows that are being delivered by a winged female goddess.
What is seldom seen is the left half of the image, there in a winnowing basket
is the "sacred phallus" of Dionysus being uncovered by the priestess. It is this
image that I find very hard to reconcile with the Jesus of the bible. But apparently
Jung didn't. Jung seems to prophesy the coming the of the Hyper- Charismatics
in this quote from Richard Noll (The Jung Cult):
we must give it time to infiltrate into people from many centers, to revivify
among intellectuals a feeling for symbol and myth, ever so gently to transform
Christ back into the soothsaying god of the vine, which he was, and in this way
absorb those ecstatic instinctual forces of Christianity for the one purpose of
making the cult and the sacred myth what the once were - a drunken feast of joy
where man regained the ethos and holiness of an animal." (pg 188, The Jung Cult,
Richard Noll, 1994 Princeton University Press)
It is in this quote that we see the link between Jung and the
Charismatics. The drunken feast of Joy is nothing more than the Toronto Blessing/Pensacola
Revival. This is perhaps the most important link I found in my research into the
Jesus to a "phallic kind of guy" Hicks comes close to making him into a sort of
Dionysius, or just the kind of god of the vine that Jung is describing. That in
and of itself may not be dangerous but when this is combined with the strong wine
of the Vineyard charismatics I think we have a fulfillment of Jung's prophecy.
And it may be coming to a stadium near you!
of archetypes is completed out somewhat in The Feminine Journey from what I have
read of the reviews. The Goddess is there in her three incarnations; "Virgin,
Whore, and Hag. (although Cynthia Hicks has given her nice Christian names)."
There is another model for the same type of "seasons of a woman" in Robert Graves'
"The White Goddess." In this book Graves reveals the Venus (who is also Astarte
and Asherah of Canaanite fame in the bible) as appearing in 3 phases; the Virgin
(young woman), the Whore (delightful beauty), and finally the Hag (wise woman).
It is this book that the popular rock tune "Stairway to Heaven" was written about
in 10 minutes after Jimmy Page read Graves' book. Some in Christian circles spent
quite a bit of time ruining perfectly good records spinning them backwards for
the "Satanic" message when front wards it was quite bad enough (see the "Hammer
of the Gods" or the story of the band Led Zeppelin, be advised it is X-rated in
sections). Cynthia and Robert Hicks have then made a complete set of Jungian archetypes
in their books but now good Christian men and women read them and find themselves
in the same company as Led Zeppeling and Aleister Crowley (one of the band's heroes.)
So what's the problem with Jung? According to Richard Noll,
Jung's ideas of archetypes and the collective unconscious are all "borrowed" part
an parcel from nineteenth century occultism. The archetypes and the unconscious
were respectively: 1) the steps of initiation 2) the Land of the Dead.
The steps of initiation would take the seeker to higher and higher levels of knowledge
or "gnosis" until he realized true "illumination." This illumination was not as
one would expect a "union with the divine" but a realization that only the individual
was responsible for his own redemption. In the "Seven Sermons to the Dead" (delivered
by occult means directly to Jung) Jung preaches to the dissillusioned Christian
dead. He tells them not to seek redemption in any means but themselves. There
is an inner star that they must rise to. Finaly at peace the souls rise to find
enlightenment. (pg 243, The Jung Cult). There is another more darker spin on illumination
that was alluded to by Robert Anton Wilson in a book called; "Notes from the Underground."
Here Wilson gives the true goal of the occult practitioner, to gain dissillusionment
with all methods, rituals and paths and finally seek only himself. The seeker
is then "illumined." There is more on this when you delve into Chaos magic and
The Land of the Dead and the Collective Unconscious
are not addressed in the book by Hicks (thankfully). But one could imagine another
book is being penned out there as we speak which will adapt this Jungian concept
to the Christian world.
So when respected Christian publishing
houses like Nav Press put out stuff (like the Masculine Journey and the
Feminine Journey) with that kind of baggage we have to wonder "did anyone
READ this before it was approved?"
As a final thought,
I was discipled by the Navigators and spent a good 4 years ministering with some
very godly men and leaders at a military base in California. It saddens me greatly
to see such a good ministry go astray. I have completed my "journey" back from
this Masculine Journey. It was really a bad detour. My hope is that others will
not soon get lost on the same highway.
This is just a followup
to what I sent you earlier.
In reviewing the material please
feel free to edit out any material you feel may not stand up to the proper scrutiny.
Since I was working from the reviews of "The Feminine Journey" (by Lynn &
Sarah Leslie) It may not carry as much weight as what I was talking about in the
I am of the opinion that both of these
sets of archetypes make up the "sacred couple" of the pagans. They are Baal and
Asherah, husband and wife. Robert Graves, in the White Goddess, gives the entire
outline clearly. The Male is the "wounded king" or warrior and the Female is seen
as the sacred prostitute.
Jung is the bridge between these
ancient ideas and our modern world. By making myths and fables have a concrete
meaning in psychological analysis, he has brought back the dead gods. These are
the same gods that Israel was sent into exile over in Babylon.
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