Searching for the Truth in the King James Bible;
Finding it, and passing it on to you.

Steve Van Nattan









By Steve Van Nattan

The following was a letter I received by E-Mail, and I decided it needs to be aired openly so that Dr. Joyner is shown for the idiocy of his logic and his hate for the Preserved Word of God. I think it will all explain itself.


Writer-- Guy ___________

Dr. Joyner

Word of God

Steve Van Nattan



Dear Steve,

I sure need your help on this one for a rebuttal I am preparing. Somebody recommended this address and said, and I quote, for the confused looking for discernment:

(1) It led to an article by a certain Dr. Robert A. Joyner, D.B.S., Th.D., Ph.D. He said we cannot claim Perfect Preservation for the KJV because to claim perfection is the same as claiming Inspiration, and he said KJV cannot be inspired because Inspiration ended when Revelation Chapter 22 was complete.

Thus, if God cannot Preserve His Word as well as He Inspired it, He is not omnipotent after all. Preservation is not Inspiration, but both are a miraculous work of God. This claim of Joyner is pure bunk and is 100% HIS invention, for the Lord promised to preserve His Word-- Joyner is calling God a liar.

Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

So, the very thoughts of God are on record somewhere, either the NIV, NASB, or the KJV-- One is God's thoughts-- The rest are funny books and imitations foisted on us by Rupert Murdock for gain. Since all the versions diagree with one another, and since God is not the author of confusion, then only one English Bible can be the Word of God. If our "generation" does not have perfection in the Word of God, then God blew it, could not preserve His Word, and He is a liar, and we should all go play golf and leave religion to the fools. The believability of God and His very existence depend on the Word of God, in absolute perfection, being with us today somewhere. I believe the fruit of 400 years vindicates the KJV.

(2) In another part of the essay he quoted Jude 3: Once delivered to the saints, and he concluded that if a doctrine is new then it is not true, and if a doctrine is true, then it is not new. He said the KJV Only doctrine is a new doctrine.

He is right, in that, the Word was given ONCE by inspiration, but the jabberwocky cannot believe God is big enough to KEEP the Word perfect forever ON EARTH. This man wants the right to use his Seminary investment to pick the Word to pieces and put it all back together in HIS image image. He is demon possessed, and you will get absolutely nowhere with him. He teaches that Inspiration and Preservation are the same thing, and that is a lie of the devil.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

The Word of God is exalted BY GOD HIMSELF above His own name. If we do not have the Word of God in perfection, we do not know God-- period-- full stop-- and, !!!!!!!!

You need to understand something friend, and I quote Martin Lloyd Jones, Westminster Chapel, London, circa 1975:

"We do not debate the truth, we declare it."

If Joyner is better at debate than you, you will lose, and the truth will take loss. If you DECLARE the truth, the Truth will take care of itself, and joyner and his funny Bibles can go to hell. I say that charitably of course :-)

I quote below Dr. Joyner's own words: The Bible says inspiration stopped when Revelation chapter 22 was complete. (Rev. 22:18-19)

True, but Preservation is a totally different matter.

Some KJV Only people disclaim inspiration for the KJV translators, but they say the KJV is God's perfectly preserved Word. That is the same thing as inspiration. It takes inspiration to have perfection.

LIE!!!!! It does NOT take inspiration to have preservation. It just is a lie this man is demanding we take from his perverted mind. Check any dictionary.

I know some will scream at this point and say they believe in perfect preservation, not inspiration for the KJV. That is playing with words. It is not being completely honest. The bottom line is, if something is perfect, it has to be inspired. Call it what you will. To claim perfection for the KJV is to claim inspiration.

It is God's Word this man is playing with. I take the Word of God literally. He takes it as he can twist it, and not as the absolute truth. This man would not know a truth from God if it slapped him in the face. These kind of men read the Word and, at once, begin to see where they can find something wrong with the Word. Harry Truman had some very good theology when he said, "Some of these people are always looking for a bug under the chip." In this case, the "chip" (cow chip) is the NIV, NASB, and KJV, and the "bug" is the perceived point at which God was out to lunch and the Word was perverted behind His back. What a lovely god Joyner et al have! Perhaps their god is Allah or Buddha. It sounds like Joyner has been reading the Baghivad Gita.

It is self-evident that the KJV is preserved by the fruit which that Bible has produced over the centuries. The NIV is now being exalted by Whiskeypalians and was put together by lesbians and queers, and that is a fact now opening up to the world. Rupert Murdock, owner of many filthy lust magazines and yellow sheets, is the owner of the NIV. The NASB is being cast aside as junk. The modern versions all fall into neglect as the KJV remains the standard to attack, as in the model of Dr. Joyner.

The hammer does not break the anvil-- The anvil wears the hammer down.

The bottom line of Joyner is NOT based on street level logic, let alone the Word of God. The effect of Divine Preservation is to retain the inspiration of the original, so that, the original is not needed to understand the preserved edition. This is why God and Paul did not demand that the early church give Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic classes to the saints in Rome, Arabia, and Babylon (Peter). This is why Vankataswami sat cross legged in his father's shop in India 70 years ago and got saved reading a Tamil Bible translated by William Carey from the KJV into Tamil. God was pleased to use His Word in Tamil.

God knew His Word in eternity past, and predestined that His Word would be there in due season for the Germans, Africans, and Bengalis. AND, God knew that in 1611 the English language would be at its pinnacle, and that English would be the End Times language, and that He would have the most qualified Bible scholars in the history of earth just fresh from the Reformation, and that He would have the "word of a king" to make it happen humanly, and God was not a bit worried that Dr. Joyner's fears would be realized.

...anyone who goes off after a new doctrine different from the accepted historic Christian position is bound to be wrong because we have the faith "once delivered to the saints." (Jude 3) If any doctrine is new, then it is not true. And if it is true, then it is not new.

"Accepted historic Christian position" THIS MAN IS A MIND TWISTING JERK FOR HE IS THUS CLAIMING THAT TRADITION IS EQUAL TO BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. This is 100000000% Roman Catholic teaching. Joyner is a illegitimate child of the Whore. Furthermore; if there is no absolutely preserved Word of God, then how can Joyner have any idea what is the faith "once delivered," and how does he know that it was NOT delivered twice, or even fifty times, and some editor changed it to "once" to suit the "accepted historical Christian position"? Like the old yeller dog in the Ozarks, Joyner better hope he never catches his tail and just keep chasing it.

The faith ONCE DELIVERED is indeed sound doctrine from which we dare not wander, and what the "historic Christian position" has done, about 90% of the time, is trash the faith "once delivered," IN THE MODEL OF JOYNER above.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

This doctrine was Once Delivered, and everything after, ESPECIALLY "historic Christendom's" filth, is damned to hell. So, like all heresies, Joyner takes a known truth, adds a necessary lie of Satan, and comes up with his own patented doctrine of devils. To wit;

Known Truth: the faith was "once delivered;"
Satanic Doctrine: "The historic Chrisians position" is biblical doctrine;
Devilish Synthesis: To claim that there is a Divinely preserved Word of God today is a violation of the Divine doctrine of "historic Christian position."

We will now blow away Dr. Joyner in 7 words:
Sir, who determined the "historic Christian position"?

Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The "historic position" is not doctrine, for it postdates the doctrine "once delivered" by the Apostles, so Joyner's use of it under color of "doctrine" would lose in absolutely any court of law in the world. Only a Seminary PhD could possibly confuse this issue. Thus; Joyner's own logic and use of "once delivered" rules out the "historic Christian position" which he and his scholarly friends hold patent to. Joyner on Joyner equals damnation of Joyner.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

This is dynamite, for it gathers Moses' law and Paul's teaching under inspiration into one bundle and excludes all else, ESPECIALLY "the historic position" which is where the scholars of Satan warp the very thing Paul was here describing.

The KJV Only view is a new doctrine to Christians. However, it is not completely new in the world of heresy, because the Roman Catholics claimed the same thing for their Latin Vulgate translation. About 16 popes pronounced the Vulgate infallible. Later Clement VIII had it revised and corrected. To claim a translation is infallible is an old Roman Catholic heresy.

This natural brute beast is trying to lay the Whore on the KJV Only people, but HIS texts, Westcott and Hort, ARE the Catholic Whore texts, AND, it is the Whore which uses the "historic position" (Traditions of Mother Church) as their final authority. Joyner IS a Catholic in doctrine, so it is Satanic for him to try to hit the KJV Only position with a Catholic accusation. When a man uses this kind of deception, it is a sure sign that he is threatened by the truth and needs to degrade those who would defend the truth.

This man is committed to promote Satan's bibles dear friend. You better be careful and in much prayer if you take him on, for you could be wasting a lot of time on a devil. It is my experience that these men are far too great in their own eyes to listen to anyone who reasons from the Truth.

Proverbs 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

They WILL rend you sir-- They will destroy you if possible, so you have to attack with a view to destroy their teaching and show no mercy. This is war. Any less commitment will result in you being wounded and possibly destroyed in any ministry you have. 100% or nothing is the rule. Pray for power and zeal if you go into this deeper.

Nothing outside the will of God is possible. Thus:

Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

I now have one last question for the effulgent intellect of Dr. Joyner. In the verse above, we are looking into the Kingdom rule of Messiah. If the Word of God was only "once delivered to the saints" by the writers of the Word, and if the canon closed in Revelation 22, AND if the Word of God is now corrupted and not preserved just as God gave it, then, dear genius doctor, what "Word" AND what "Law" will Messiah proclaim in His coming Kingdom, as the above text promises?

Will Jesus Christ have to burn all the Bibles on earth and start over?

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Guy: II Corinthians 7:11-- If you won't take the battle all the way to "revenge" stay out of it my friend.

I wish you well as you defend the faith once delivered and eternally preserved in the King James Bible.