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Steve Van Nattan



Also, the story of the defection of Frank Schaeffer from biblical Christianity
AND, Frank's hate for his father, and well known Bible teacher, Francis Schaeffer

You must watch the video. This man, Frank Schaeffer, is a favored source of the Liberal God hating left because he is supposed to still be a "Christian" by his own definition. His father, whom he betrayed, was Francis Schaeffer, a men used of God to speak to many Bible believers.

The issue here is not the crazies in the Lord's Church. The issue is to justify going on into the Liberal atheist New World Order while leaving Bible believers behind as if they are mad anyway.

While this gives us a clear picture of our destiny in the USA, we still need to address these insane claims to measure them against our own world view as Bible believers. There is plenty to rejoice about, but there IS a problem in the Lord's Church, and I want to thank this atheist jerk for pointing it out.


I will simply deal with the claims of Frank Schaeffer and my observations.

I invite any Bible believing reader to SEND MAIL and add any thoughts that I may have missed. By the way, the most pathetic side of this whole discussion is that Frank Schaeffer, in the Maddow interview above, is that he is the son of Francis Schaeffer, one of the most articulate and doctrinally sound Bible scholars of the 1960s through the 1980s. Frank Schaeffer has clearly come to hate the teaching of his father and mother. You heard him mock at his mother's zeal for the End Times in the video.



I remember the discussions of John Kennedy being the possible Antichrist. Some Christians back then also believed he would give America to the Pope. We were discussing this over coffee with Dr. Henry at BIOLA College during Kennedy's era, and he said this, "No evil President can do that much bad in even two terms, and no good President can do that much good. This is because of partisan politics and our system of checks and balances." It was not long before we realized that John Kennedy was his own man, not the Pope's, and he did not come back from the dead. I understand though that he has been seen at the Eternal Flame in a wheel chair being pushed along by Elvis Presley. But, so far, he has not been back to rule the world.

For Frank Schaeffer to lump all Bible believers together, those who take the Bible teaching of the End Times literally, as nut cases is of course the art of using a mop to paint an egg. He has a clear motive-- to trash biblical Christianity.

So, I shall indulge you who believe Obama could be the Antichrist, and I shall do for the commentator what he is to stupid to do himself.

The Antichrist has to be believable, NOT TO CHRISTIANS BEFORE THE RAPTURE, but to the Jews after Christ removes his Church. We are taught in the book of Daniel that he conquers the nation of Israel by flatteries.

Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Antichrist comes convincing the leaders of Israel that he is Messiah. His objective is not to make a socialist state of the United States of America-- he comes to be king of Israel, and after that, to rule the world. Barak Obama is a "wog," that is, he is an African, and not even an African American. His father was a drunk civil servant in Kenya who hated authority. His mother was a loser fluff head who fawned over foreign gigolos. Can you see Netanyahu falling on his face in worship of this man? A Patel from India would have a better chance of pulling this off in Jerusalem.

Now, I am not saying Obama is wicked because of his heritage. It is unbiblical to hold a man responsible for his parents' sins, but he simply does not have the heritage to fool the Jews, for he is NOT a Jew. He is a Hamite, and the Antichrist will be Semitic. Period.

Having said that, you need to understand that when a poll is taken, there is only one thing desired-- sensational results. Any Bible believer with any sense will NOT respond to an in-person poll or to a phone poll. The only discussion a Bible believer can have with an agent of social change and information is silence or condemnation. They must come to us personally inquiring for the truth. The poll taken was meant to get brash and offensive results, and it worked.

Frankly, I do not trust any idiot who will respond to the question of whether Barak Obama is the Antichrist. They are NOT studying their Bible. Thus, I stay clear of these folks. They are reading web blogs, not the prophets from the Bible. Some of these people also believe the Nibarians are coming to destroy the earth in 2012.

Finally, if Obama is the Antichrist, or the Beast who deceives the Jews into worshipping him, how is this candidate for Antichrist doing so far? Huh? Speak up, I cannot hear you. Obama is pretty much hated universally in Israel today for his demands that Israel go back to the 1967 boundaries. Netanyahu has to be very close to shopping for a new friend as the USA slowly disengages with Israel. Gradual reconciliation is in progress with Russia. Putin will unveil a monument in Tel Aviv in July of this year to Russian Jews who fought in WW II against Hitler. BO cannot possibly turn this mess around under his tenure. Hey, maybe Vladamir Putin is the Antichrist.



Who cares if they are truly born again. The Bride of Christ will be removed from this world BEFORE Armageddon. Whether you are Pre-Tribulation or Mid-Tribulation as to the Rapture, Armageddon is at the end of the seven years. We could not possibly be there because it is all about God's wrath, and he promises he will never bring his wrath on Believers:

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

I am sick and tired of all you idiots who are preoccupied with the Mark of the Beast, the Antichrist, Armageddon, and the wrath of God. We are COMMANDED by Christ to preach the Gospel to the whole world. We are told to speak the Word in love to the saved and the unsaved. We are NOWHERE told to preach the gospel of the wrath of God in the End Times. It is not a saving message.

So, since you will not be here for Armageddon and the Antichrist's reign, and since Christ did not command you to blabber about it to the ungodly, why are you not talking about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the glories we WILL experience in heaven? When did you last hear a message preached about heaven? When did you last hear about the 1000 year Kingdom when we will be here ruling and reigning with Christ? Why is it that so many morbid saints are preoccupied with the seven years when they will NOT be here?





Well, if you talk and talk about the Gospel, will they call you insane?

Answer: Seldom.

Most sinners are tolerant in the USA, and they will tell you, "I respect your beliefs, and if it helps you I am glad for that, but I do not feel a need for something like that right now."

What a lousy response, you say, right?

It is much more satisfying, if we do not win a soul to Christ, to hear them call us insane and grind their teeth at us, right? So, you resort to an alleged Gospel of the End Times, and the hearer has visions of science fiction, AND, he concludes you believed the movie from Hollywood on the end of the earth. Is that what you want? Your Gospel sounds to him like you got it from Blockbuster Videos.

The passive response is nothing to brag about at a church testimony meeting. So, what do we do? Blast them with hell. That works better, but if you REALLY want a raging and reactive response, tell them the Antichrist is coming to eat their brain out, and they will die with asteroids falling on them, and if they survive that, they will die on the plains of Armageddon, then show them their face melting away in Isaiah. Now, that will always get a response from the sinner like you are mad dog.

Well, that is just what we deserve if we reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ and preach The Gospel of Armageddon. Oh, you say, "I am not rejecting the Gospel, I will go on to that if they will listen." You use American marketing methods if you say that. You hit them with something sensational and terrifying, and then you think you will go on to the precious Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But, you never seem to get to the Gospel, right? You are a liar, and you deceive yourself.

When is the last time you talked to anyone ONLY about Jesus, his life, and why he died on the cross for a sinner?

When I was in college in southern California, we used to go to downtown Los Angeles to Pershing Square in the evening to listen to the sidewalk speakers. Pershing Square was a park in the center of LA and was a well used place where soap box experts could trumpet their messages.

There was one old fellow we liked to hear because we figured he was a bit crazy. He talked about the end of the world, and he said the we would all be attacked soon by thirty five foot grasshoppers. He had a shoe box full of photographs of the grass hoppers too, but he would never open it. We would egg him on by sounding interested, and he would expound all sorts of dates and prophetic indications to watch for in order to be ready for the attack. The only grass hoppers that have attacked are the ones eating my bean plants in my garden this summer.

Now, do you think you sound any different that that jerk when you chatter about marks, 666, the Beast, the Great Dragon, and Wormwood crashing into the ocean? Sure, we believe these events will actually happen, but God nowhere told us that preaching these end times events would win souls. Instead we convince them we are crazy.



Well, so was Adolph Hitler. Frank Schaeffer has clearly had a bad time in growing up in a Christians setting. Something went wrong. Having read his father's works, I have to believe that Frank simply became a rebel with no use for the truth. Some people walk away, some find the genuine thing, but some alleged "church goers" turn in vengeance on Bible believers. This man is clearly one of the latter. So, his credentials are highly suspect. He wrote a book. So did Hitler and Karl Marx. So, I am not intimidated by the man at all.

But, we must not give these wolves ammunition to attack us. Watch who you talk to. The angry world is looking for a scapegoat to blame for the disaster now taking place economically world wide. Nero burned Rome himself and then blamed the Christians hiding in the catacombs.

Why does the world do this over and over?

Answer: They realize their destiny has been taken out of their hands by force, they suspect God had something to do with it, and Christians are easy to find and blame while God is far away in his heaven. So, when the Stock Market crashes, you folks know who to blame-- ME. When the next black flag event hits us, you Bible believers will be even more zealously identified as potential terrorists by Homeland Security and the President. Will you qualify for persecution for preaching Christ, or preaching the Antichrist?

Frank Schaeffer wonders if "Christianity can be rescued from Christians." This shows that the man has no idea what a Christian is. He wants a Christianity that has a Liberal sodomite hugging political definition in the will of man, a religion that leaves God and his holiness out. He wants to move on and leave us behind, but he knows he cannot do that because God has us here to restrain the likes of this spiritual con artist. He says the we, the tiny rotted brain group, have totally diseased the brain of all other Americas. Well, where are you masses and asses out there who are waiting on every word that drops from my mouth or web journal. My hits are pretty good, but I sure don't get the following to justify this boy's claims.

Did you see the feigned pain on the face of Rachael Maddow? That was priceless. What an act. I think I sometimes get some satisfaction out of watching the pain Liberals fake when they talk about Bible believers. They know they are on a collision course with a holy God, and they are in pain because you and I remind them of it, even if it is only because we are still here.

Oh, I liked that part about Rush Limbaugh being my inspiration. I have listened to Rush a good number of times. He is a godless man, and he has a potty mouth. He inspires me about the same way these Texas mosquitoes inspire me.

Here is a priceless one-- "A village cannot reorganize village life to suit the village idiot." So true. The question is, who is the idiot? Is it the one who lumps all Bible believers into a totally insane group? Is the village idiot the one with a Bible in his hand, or Mein Kamf in his hand? Or, is the village idiot the one who blows pot all day and bangs his head on the wall all night long? Is the village idiot the one who massacres millions of Jews or blows up a train in London? Not at all, you see, the village idiot is the one who believes his Bible and tries to live so that when he dies he will not be ashamed when he stands before God. THOSE people are really dangerous-- Mr. Wise Frank Schaeffer and Geshmu the Arab said so.

So, beware about reacting with shame with these Liberals. Simply decide you will not talk about anything but the Gospel of Jesus Christ to these rebels. One of them might actually repent and believe. But, if you are going to suffer persecution, please make sure it is for the Gospel, NOT for your late great theory of who the Antichrist is.



My last comment is to you, dear reader.

The Bible tells us bluntly that we are to be "peculiar" in this world.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

1 Peter 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Unto you who believe, he is precious, and to you who do not believe, he is a cause for you to stumble. God does not want anyone to land in no man's land. Either you are all for Christ and his Gospel, or you hate it and consider it a hazard to the good life. That is exactly how God wants it.

To you who believe in Jesus Christ, you need to understand the if you have no enemies like Frank Schaeffer you really failed to justify why God left you here after you were born again. I am only too pleased to count Frank Schaeffer, as he defined himself, as my enemy. I delight that he considers me the village idiot. What would trouble me greatly would be to be peculiar, as we read above, but peculiar because I am a church house jerk and jabberwocky for nothing but conspiracies and prophecies about the mark of the Beast. What a waste of a life that would be.

Question: Are you considered peculiar by anyone?

Question: If so, is it because you talk about Jesus and show his person to them, or is it because you chatter about things "from the Bible" that they absolutely cannot relate to?

The point is, anyone can understand the Gospel story. They may not believe it, but it is very uncomplicated. The End Times teachings of the Christian Church's theologians is so complex that there are hundreds of variations on it. It has not happened, and it cannot possibly he precisely predicted or accurately described. Tim LaHaye made a splendid and costly effort to show the lost world the End Times in his Left Behind series. Tim's books are all on the shelves of Goodwill Industries now, and the Bible is still the world's best seller. Go figure. What a waste of a life.

THINK..... it really feels good if you are thinking with Christ.









Here is what Francis A. Schaeffer gave his son. It is a call to the world of Evangelicalism to come back to the Bible and Christ. Frank, his son, received a very bright mind, and a massive load of intellectual data and history, from his father. Frank then abandoned the objective, Jesus Christ and the Gospel, and set out to attach Fundamental Christians. He went via the Greek Orthodox Church, but he has become the companion of God hating Liberals, sodomites, and abortionists-- running to their defense against Bible believers. Google his name in Google Video, and you will get a revelation.

Why did this happen? Simply this-- Francis Schaeffer, just a couple of months before he died, abandoned the Evangelical community and went to a Fundamental Baptist conference at Liberty College with Jerry Falwell. Francis Schaeffer said, at that conference, that he had given up on Evangelicals and he was throwing in his lot with Fundamentalists. Frank Schaeffer abandoned his father at that point and joined the Greek Orthodox Church. Frank is indeed a serious case of what his father called "Death in The City."

So, here is Francis Schaeffer calling Christians to speak with authority to the wicked fallen church, and to the lost world that Frank, his son, is embracing:










PART NINE- HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE- The Age of Personal Peace and Affluence


If you watch all ten of these videos, you will understand very well that we are now at the end of Francis Schaeffer's predicted path of a world elite seeking to take charge. You will understand what is happening right now in the USA and Europe.



At the end of his life, Francis Schaeffer abandoned Evangelicalism after making the ten part series above. He then went over to join Fundamentalists. Frank, his son, went the opposite direction. He joined the Greek Orthodox Church with its pathetic worship of icons and gold and silver trinkets.

Charles Helgerson of Church of the Open Bible once said, "When you start buttoning your shirt wrong at the bottom, it will be wrong all the way up. Frank Schaeffer went from the Greek Orthodox Church to blasting Fundamentalists and Bible believers as if they need to be exterminated in the manner of Adolph Hitler. He will go on and on until he is a raging fool filled with boundless hate. He is close now I gather. So, where are you headed? Be careful my friend.

And, what of Frank Schaeffer?
Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

Shame on you, Frank.


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