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LOMA LINDA RELIGION
The Seventh Day Adventist faux feed
By Steve Van Nattan
I was in WalMart recently, and in browsing the canned food section, I found a brand of vegetable product named Loma Linda and Worthington. They are the same company-- owned by Kellogg, and they specialize in making cabbage and zucchini taste like roast beef and filet mignon.
This is for the SDA member who craves meat as they work their way to heaven by keeping vegetarian laws.
Never mind these laws are not found in the Bible. A dip head named Ellen G. White cursed veggies long ago, and the SDAs have been eating beans ever since.
Now what about the canned veggies which taste like meat?
Well, this is the same thing as candy cigarettes and the little round tins that look like scuff but contain beef jerky for the kids.
I saw Jaliwal Patel, a Ghandi look alike, in WalMart also, and he had a pound of bacon in his cart. That could have been his grandma by Hindu standards. Good for Jaliwal. Liberty comes in small portions.
This product was amazing. It looked, smelled, felt, and chewed like honest to blue steer hamburger. However; that was the best I can say about it. It tasted like a rather institutional cafeteria version of Swiss Steak, but the average American might not realize it was not real meat, especially with a couple of Bud Lites to wash it down and anesthetize the taste buds.
I recall eating at Thrifty's Drug Store during my college days of poverty, and this Stake might even be one step higher in authenticity than the Thrifty's lunch counter variety. If one is not eating this stuff for spiritual reasons, it would generally be good food, though dull. I would suggest a side order of roast beef to go with it. It might make a passable vegetable dish if real food were added.
This product was not as convincing as the Swiss Stake. It looked like a real weenie, but the texture was not as good an imitation as the Stake. The taste was fully weenie, but it needed some hog fat to taste right. The ingredients were very encouraging, if you need to eat only vegetables for health, NOT SPIRITUAL, reasons.
In fact, the SDA weenie may even be better for us if we were to consider the contents of real weenies. After eating both the Stake and the Links, I can tell you that I did not feel a bit more spiritual, and I went to the frig and got a couple of slices of salami to balance the diet and avoid the bad manners of Peter who left his pork chop to move across the room and join the Kosher folks when they arrived from Jerusalem (somewhat free interpretation, I admit).
Here are the ingredients of the Veja Links. This is pretty good food, but NOT good meat:
Egg whites, Vegetable protein from soy and wheat, Soybean oil, Corn Syrup, Salt, Oat flour, Corn starch, Guar gum, Yeast extract, Sodium alginate, Spices, Disodium Inpsinate, Smoke flavor, Paprika, Carmel color, Sugar, Dextrose, Garlic powder, Natural flavor, Carrageenan, Disodium guanylate, Hydrolyzed soy protein, Spice extracts, Vitamins and Minerals Niacinamide, Iron, Vitamin B1, B6, B2, and B12, Wheat fiber, Red #3 food coloring.
There are lots of nutritious food and chemical goodies there for you. Actually, it reads like a short novel. In fact, this list is probably far less suspect than the average weenie at the market which is loaded with embalming fluid to keep it from rotting and you poisoning yourself with ptomaine. But, what a lot of trouble to go to when these SDAs could just buy a pound of soy beans and boil them for dinner. If they really loved veggies and hated meat, and if God agreed with them, why parade your veggies under color of beef and pork?
Let us Discuss SDA doctrine of food:
"When men and women are truly converted, they will conscientiously regard the laws of life that God has established in their being, thus seeking to avoid physical, mental, and moral feebleness. Obedience to these laws must be made a matter of personal duty. We ourselves must suffer the ills of violated law."
The problem at this web site is that they were unable to find one law of God against eating meat. There is none-- in any dispensation.
Ellen G. White wrote:
"Disease in cattle is making meat eating a dangerous matter. The Lord's curse is upon the earth, upon man, upon beasts, upon the fish in the sea; and as transgression becomes almost universal, the curse will be permitted to become as broad and as deep as the transgression. Disease is contracted by the use of meat. The diseased flesh of these dead carcasses is sold in the market places, and disease among men is the sure result....
"There is no safety in the eating of the flesh of dead animals, and in a short time the milk of cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment-keeping people. In a short time it will not be safe to use anything that comes from the animal creation....
"The disease upon animals is becoming more and more common, and our only safety now is leaving meat entirely alone....Because of meat eating, many die, and they do not understand the cause....In eating meat we partake of diseased dead flesh, and this sows its seeds of corruption in the human organism." Counsels on Diet and Foods, 411-414.
"People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculosis and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated." Ibid., 388.
"We do not mark out any precise line to be followed in diet; but we do say that in countries where there are fruits, grains and nuts in abundance, flesh food is not the right food for God's people. I have been instructed that flesh food has a tendency to animalize the nature, to rob men and women of that love and sympathy which they should feel for everyone, and to give the lower passions control over the higher powers of the being. If meat eating was ever healthful, it is not safe now. Cancers, tumors, and pulmonary disease are largely caused by meat eating.
The diet of animals is vegetables and grains. Must the vegetables be animalized, must they be incorporated into the system of animals, before we get them? Must we obtain our vegetable diet by eating the flesh of dead creatures? God provided fruit in its natural state for our first parents. He gave to Adam charge over the garden, to dress it, and to care for it, saying, "To you it shall be for meat." One animal was not to destroy another animal for food. - (1896)
Let our ministers and canvassers step under the banners of strict temperance. Never be ashamed to say, "No thank you; I do not eat meat. I have conscientious scruples against eating the flesh of dead animals. - 1901
Flesh was never the best food; but its use is now doubly objectionable, since disease in animals is so rapidly increasing. - 1902
Animals are becoming more diseased and it will not be long until animal food will be discarded by many besides Seventh-day Adventists. Foods that are healthful and life sustaining are to be prepared, so that men and women will not need to eat meat. - 1902
Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs. The eating of flesh is unnatural. We are to return to God's original purpose in the creation of man. - 1903
The moral evils of a flesh diet are not less marked than are the physical ills. Flesh food is injurious to health, and whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and the soul. Think of the cruelty to animals meat-eating involves, and its effect on those who inflict and those who behold it. How it destroys the tenderness with which we should regard those creatures of God! - 1905
Animals are often transported long distances and subjected to great suffering in reaching a market. Taken from the green pastures and traveling for weary miles over the hot, dusty roads, or crowded into filthy cars, feverish and exhausted, often for many hours deprived of food and water, the poor creatures are driven to their death, that human beings may feast on the carcasses. - 1905
It is a mistake to suppose that muscular strength depends on the use of animal food. The needs of the system can be better supplied, and more vigorous health can be enjoyed, without its use. The grains, with fruits, nuts, and vegetables, contain all the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood. These elements are not so well or so fully supplied by a flesh diet. Had the use of flesh been essential to health and strength, animal food would have been included in the diet appointed man in the beginning. - 1905
Those who eat flesh are but eating grains and vegetables at second hand; for the animal receives from these things the nutrition that produces growth. The life that was in the grains and the vegetables passes into the eater. We receive it by eating the flesh of the animal. How much better to get it direct by eating the food that God provided for our use! - 1905
The majority of the diseases which the human family have been and still are suffering under, they have created by ignorance of their own organic health, and work perseveringly to tear themselves to pieces, and when broken down and debilitated in body and mind, send for the doctor and drug themselves to death. - 1866
Please notice that the above is NOT found in the Word of God. Nowhere did any writer of the Bible tell anyone not to eat meat. This is 100% the invention of a false prophetess.
Hypocrisy of this product-- Do they really believe meat is wicked? If so, they should not want the appearance or flavor either. Look again at the Swiss Stake above. They are trying to live as close as possible to the edge of law. Weenies are notoriously suspect as to food value and preservatives. They are made of the rubbish from the meat cutting process. Why must they have weenies?
If SDAs really believed their own doctrine, they would not need Swiss Stake and Vegi-Links. Why make a product which come 99% of the way to look, taste, and smell like meat? They are NOT secure in their meat hate. They would love to have it. If they really believed their mongrel prophetess, White, they would be totally satisfied to look at vegetables just the way God created them. What crass hypocrisy.
Also, I notice that the SDAs call one of the above products, "Swiss Stake." Folks, we all know what a stake is, and we are not in the custom of eating stakes. This trick of the maker of this product shows what happens when you go yonder to the cesspool of Satan and dip your little bucket in. You dirty everything you touch. The SDAs now have to lie-- we are offered sacred meat substitute, and we are asked to assassinate our intellect and call the meat trick "stake." Error breeds lies, and more lies.
Question: Does the Bible call for veggies?
Ellen G. White said, "God gave our first parents the food He designed that the race should eat. It was contrary to His plan to have the life of any creature taken. There was to be no death in Eden. The fruit of the trees in the garden was the food man's wants required." (1864)
What a lie! Here is what God commanded Noah:
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
God simply added to the menu, and it was an order, NOT a choice. Ellen G. White told a black lie.
Question: Did Jesus eat meat?
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Exodus 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
Question: Will eating no meat make us spiritual?
1 Corinthians 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
Mark 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
SDAs eat the sacred weenie, and then out of them comes the lies of Ellen G. White. In all fairness I note the Lester Roloff made a virtual pest of himself toward the end of his life by claiming that eating meat was wicked and sinful. He was obsessed with eating and cooking things in a spiritual manner. It very well may be that God took him in an airplane crash because he was, in his actions, denying the liberty in Christ which he had preached for so many years. Any of us can become preoccupied with food and diet until we make our friends avoid us and lose confidence in our profession of faith.
Question: Will eating only vegetables get us saved or keep us saved?
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
When witnessing to SDAs, you need to know that possibly 98% of them, in their soul, believe that they must eat no meat, drink no coffee, and meet on the Sabbath, or they will go to hell-- Pin them down on this in love, but DO IT. Ask them if they would go to hell if they ate meat and met on Sunday for worship. They will waffle around hopelessly. They want to be accepted by orthodox believers of sound doctrine, but they cannot leave the demonic teaching of Ellen G. White.
I forced a fellow to deal with this in Michigan one day. He had a terrible time, but after I showed him the Word of God, especially the command of God to eat meat, and that Jesus ate meat, he backed off and agreed that he was not believing in these laws for his salvation. I don't thing before that day that he had really dealt with this. If the SDA will not deal with it honestly, tell them they are going to hell for believing a mongrel heretic doctrine of salvation. That is the RIGHT thing to tell them. Show no mercy if they rebel.
Question: Is there a time to not eat meat?
Allergy or reactions
Norm Harrison was a fellow missionary in Ethiopia. If he ate left over meat, the nucleic acid would make him deathly sick. So, Norm should not eat left over meat. My daughter Mary cannot eat pork and only a small bit of bacon. If she eats too much she gets faint and very low blood pressure. So, she eats beef. There is nothing wrong here. Muslims don't eat pork, so I would not serve them pork if they were my guests, and I would do the same for an SDA. But, I would not do it to join their heresy, and I might make a loving comment to that effect. They should know that I am a good friend, but NOT a heretic like them.
When the meat is suspect, do not eat it. Growing up in Africa, the local meat markeys would often slaughter cattle which had died of disease. The only butchers we could trust were the Muslims, for they observed some rules of safety. So, we did not eat that beef. We hunted wild game and ate it. There are some common sense rules we can make based on the wickedness of human nature and the fact that the creation is degenerating by entropy. Veal is rubbish, and I don't like to support the cruelty involved. Feeder lots feed hormones and antibiotics much too late in the process for my liking. If possible, I buy beef that is raised more carefully. But, I am not going to stop eating meat just because some farmers are jerks.
I believe this obsession with meat eating as an alleged vice came from the Hindu influence which surged into the USA starting in 1966 when the idiots in Washington DC opened the US to Indian immigration. The Hindu Upranashad invaded and taught Americans that meat is wicked. A number of fools have believed this, including some Fundamental Baptist pastors.
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
When it would offend, don't eat.
1 Corinthians 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Some people are truly born again but have stopped eating meat. I like to ask a couple loving questions to make sure they are not running back into law keeping for spiritual reasons. If they are not backsliding into law, I leave them alone. I think they are not very obedient to God in not eating meat, but they are not my servant, and God may not be that mad at them anyway.
Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
It is hard to change. When dealing with SDAs who have repented and become born again, or with Jews, or with Muslims, for the sake of Christian love, do NOT force them to eat things they have never eaten. Let the Holy Ghost deal with them. Muslims who have been born again and who have never eaten pork can become sick when they first try it. This will give their unsaved family and friends excuse to blaspheme the Gospel as they assume Allah is punishing the new believer. Show some grace, you Baptist jackboots.
But, pound the SDAs and the New Age space cadets who start preaching their gospel of works and zucchini hugging.
Personally, I like stuffed zucchini. Find a large zucchini, cut the stem end off, and drill it hollow (not all the way through) with about a 1 inch flay wood bit on a drill motor. Don't get wild at this or you could hurt yourself. Then stuff it with sautéed lamb and rice with a good dose of butter-- real butter, or olive oil. Add a touch of cinnamon, salt, black pepper, and fresh chopped mint as you mix it. Add some sumac if you can find it at a Middle Eastern store. Bake it tipped uphill so the juices and that good grease will not run out.
Friend, there is the herbs of Adam, and the meat of Noah, all in one exceptional dish. Slice and serve on a bed of couscous with mint flavored yogurt and Moroccan olives on the side, and follow with Arab coffee and Baklava.
I feel sorry for the idiot vegans of this planet. What a burden to bear, only to starve their brain of the needed amino acids which help a person believe and make complicated decisions, like believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. I see a devil in this wicked doctrine. I see that SDAs, New Age vegans, and Hindus are equally dull in the faith department. Their spiritual thoughts are uncertain, silly, and enslaving. They are spiritually blind and unable to concentrate on the Gospel. Why? Brian starved by their rebellion. How pitiful.
Here is a very strange tale of the SDAs, Kellogg, and Satanic counterfeits.
This, like the cult of David Korresh, is typical of the kind of bizarre occult fruit of the SDA cult.
Ellen G. White said:
"It is a sin to be sick; for all sickness is the result of transgression." Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866 Ellen White died of sickness, and her husband and children took sick and died.
See all seven contradictions at this site
"Four boys were born into the White family. Henry Nichols (1847-1863) was their firstborn. He died of pneumonia at the age of 16. James Edson (1849-1928) became a Seventh-day Adventist minister and is most remembered for his pioneering evangelistic and educational work among African Americans in the Southern United States. William Clarence (1854-1937) also became a Seventh-day Adventist minister. After James's death in 1881, William became his mother's chief editorial assistant and publishing manager. John Herbert (1860) died at the age of three months from erysipelas."
Here is how SDAs delude themselves and call evil good and good evil:
"Ellen White wisely warned against the dangers of indebtedness, but when she died she owed nearly $90,000, with assets appraised at a little more than $65,000. This left a deficit of more than $20,000. Did Ellen White handle her finances irresponsibly and in complete disregard to her own counsels? When all the facts of her business affairs are considered, it is clear that Ellen White did not violate the spirit and intent of the counsel she gave concerning freedom from debt."
Read more of the disinformation here.
"While remaining a stanch advocate of the principles of health reform, Mrs. White's enthusiasm for its actual practice seems to have waxed and waned. In the 1870's and 1880's her interests turned more towards the then nationally popular temperance movement and away from attempts to change the health habits of Adventists. For several decades she abandoned vegetarianism in practice if not principle, as did the Adventist church in general. Meat was often served at church gatherings and reportedly only a very few ministers were vegetarians. Ellen White herself relished oysters and rare steaks. Not until 1894, after being reproved by a non-Adventist for the suffering she was inflicting on innocent animals, did she abandon meat eating for good and reestablish dietary reform as a key element in Adventism."
More on the vague lady.