- TABLE OF CONTENTS
- WAR ROOM -
STUDY - MORAL
ISSUES - KING
JAMES BIBLE - CULTS
THE PURPOSE DRIVEN MOVEMENT
discussion of how Satanic messengers have invaded the Lord's Church
The Jesuits have struck again, and the new Religious Marketing arm of the False Prophet churches will make sure that millions of dollars are pumped into the coffers of the Antichrist system.
First they sold you "Left Behind" and "The Prayer of Jabez", now their hawking "A Purpose Driven Life" and "The Passion".
The eagles are gathered together around the carcass of a false "christ" stuffing themselves on the foul flesh of a concocted image, pushing their meal on a public starved for any "god" but the Creator God of the Holy Bible; with their mouths full and dripping from the edges, the plea with you to join them.
But my Jesus Christ is in heaven, seated on the right hand of the Father. He is with me in the person of the Holy Spirit, and He has revealed Himself to me by the Spirit through the Holy Bible. "...as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be". I will heed His warning, and refuse to accept, and refuse to go to see, any other "christ".
Tom Lamb, New Zealand
Rick Warren Twisting Scripture
Satire video on Rick Warren's book
Post Modernism is a new puddle.
It will wax and wane, but during its era it will destroy millions of souls and damn them to hell.
If you are bored with God, and you don't want to think......
If you want a warm fuzzy replacement for absolute truth......
If you are comfortable being a wimp without an answer to moral issues......
The Emergent Church is for YOU.
Do I hear descent out there? You are not alone my friend.
Not Good? Not going anywhere? Something fishy in Denmark?
Than, consider the war for YOUR SOUL worldwide:
OVERVIEW-- BY BOB ASELTINE
I've been researching the Church Growth Movement and related issues in order to be better prepared to intelligently discuss the problems with those who are so enamored with "The Purpose-Driven Church", "The Purpose-Driven Life", 40 Days" seminars, etc. I wish there were a reliable way of separating the facts from the disinformation and hysteria.
The confusion in this arena is mind-boggling, with connections to Freemasonry, the Rosecrucians, the RCC, the Royal Society, MKULTRA, and, apparently, most of the rest of the One-World Religion / One-World Government shadow/secret operatives -- certainly rich fodder for the Art Bell set. :) A rather telling sign in this megachurch movement is the bratty, steamroller attitude toward those in the transitioning group (I use the term "group" rather than "fellowship" since such a disaster should never have made entrance in a true fellowship) who oppose the influx of worldly and non-biblical methods, i.e.: "Let 'em leave; we don't need them in this program" -- after all, they're being mean-spirited and divisive. :)
It seems that there is always an abundance of those ready to embrace the next market-driven church scheme that comes along. Meanwhile, the few true saints are dumped and left to fend for themselves relative to finding godly fellowship -- sadly, even among those who claim Christ and oppose the apostate church, I find many who still have a love of the world and the things in it rather than Christ as Lord of their life. For these, I am reluctant to share what I fear might be false encouragement, although encouragement for the true saints is indeed welcome in this lonely world of rampant apostasy. Thankfully, our Lord and Saviour doesn't cast us off for every novel scheme that surfaces.
As near as I can ascertain, the "Purpose-Driven Church" is a current Church Growth Movement scheme emanating from the book of the same name by Rick Warren of Saddleback Church of Southern California. Since writing that book, he has produced "The Purpose-Driven Life", allegedly directed at enhancing the spiritual life of the individual. The Saddleback Church model appears to closely parallel that of Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels, another megachurch marketer.
Numerous other names also appear in the CGM arena, many which are book mills such as John Maxwell, one of the more recent rising stars in this galaxy of meganumbers and leadership gurus and formerly [thankfully] pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church of San Diego who frequently served as a motivational speaker with Network 21, a large Amway distributorship in San Diego. Network 21 later moved to Atlanta and mutated into a web-based marketer, and John Maxwell went on to bigger and better things, such as establishing Injoy, a company geared to equipping and adding value to the church leadership executive.
Much information can be gleaned from sites such as Biblical Discernment Ministries, Way of Life Literature and Bible Believers Resource Page; Watch Unto Prayer is also useful, although some the resulting leads led to less verifiable material, at least at my level of research. Without getting into exhaustive research and without getting into the alleged conspiracy issues, I believe that the dangers are quite apparent. It would appear that CGM methods are almost invariably market-driven, appealing to the work of the board of directors rather than that of the Holy Ghost. Since large numbers are the goal, compromise and de-emphasis of doctrine are universal as are multimedia presentations and rock bands.
Meanwhile, the pure word of God and narrow-way Christianity get tossed. Following is a sampling of a few of the many sites related to the CGM issue; several are multipart articles:
Review: The Purpose Driven Church
this in passing and thought you might enjoy it:
Dr. Rick Warren stated on May 23, 2005, at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life:
"The word 'fundamentalist' actually comes from a document of the 1920's called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalists, narrow view of Christianity."
The Five Fundamentals he is talking about are:
1. The inerrancy and full authority of the Bible
2. The virgin birth and full Deity of Jesus Christ
3. The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4. Christ's atoning, vicarious death for the sins of the world
5. The literal second coming of Jesus Christ
So, we may then assume that Rick Warren does NOT believe the above five truths. He is damned to hell-- he is a heretic-- he is a spiritual bastard, and NOT a son according to the faith once delivered. We have no choice but to do everything possible to destroy Rick Warren's teaching and "ministry."
Ironically, the Pope of the Roman Catholic Whore Church would have to declare Rick Warren a heretic. That is pretty bad.
Here is the pansy wimp Warren as seen by the pastors of Uganda
Here is proof the Warren is a damned wimp on sodomy
Warren supports gay business--
Hear Warren say that sodomy is no worse than polygamy. That is blasphemy, for God NEVER forbade polygamy or called for polygamous Old Testament saints to be stoned, as God did for sodomites. In fact, God REQUIRED the brother of a man who died to marry the widow to give the widow a son to inherit. God did NOT condition that law on the brother being single. THINK
Warren is a WIMP
LETTER FROM A READER
I saw your stuff on the war room page regarding the purpose driven movement.
1) My dad was the director for the forty days of purpose festivities at his church and has been on my case because our church refuses to do the forty days. I tried to show him the weirdness in the book and he would hear none of it. All he would do is tell me that all of the churches that have done this thing just can't be wrong. I think the forty days is becoming a new "standard" by which the evangelicals will judge folks. It used to be "Have you been to a Basic Youth Conflicts Seminar?" or "Do you Jabez?" and now it's "Have you done the forty days?" If you say no, then they either look down their noses at you like you're a backslider or encourage you to "get with the program."
2) When the forty days thing first hit the local radar, I was having lunch with some coworkers in a local eatery and seated in the next booth was a pastor whose church was in the middle of their forty days. One of the ladies with us asked what I thought about the forty days and I shared with her a conversation my preacher and I had where he said that he felt we had two purposes, "Love God with all of your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself." The preacher in the next booth nearly crippled himself as he came up out of his chair.
HERE IS AN ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT:
folks over at The Beran Call have done
a fine job pointing out some of the problems with The Purpose Driven Life. My
initial thought was that they were a little late to the game with this, but I
recently saw another Tuscaloosa area
church has jumped on the purpose driven band wagon.
My two main gripes with the book involved the really weird bible translations Rick Warren uses to make some of his points. A lot of his quotes are from Eugene Peterson's "The Message" and "The Living Bible". Both of these are paraphrases of the bible (not literal translations) that are probably fine for casual reading, but I would never use them for theological instruction.
My second issue with the purpose driven program is that it is a program and for many people it will replace in depth bible study and a personal relationship with Jesus. I've been hesitant to say anything because so many people claim to have been blessed by the program. Also, so many people who are involved in discernment ministries debunk popular christian fads, but then they fail to provide a positive, scriptural alternative and I didn't want to be that way on this.
A while back, I was talking this over with friend, Stephen, who pointed out that Jesus gave us our two main purposes : Love God with all you heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. (See Matthew 22:37 - 39, Mark 12 :29-31 and Luke 10:27 if you're in doubt). All the other purposes in your life are derivative of these two: Taking care of widows and orphans, evangelism, loving your spouse, staying free from sin etc.
On the other hand, God's purpose for you (if you are His) is to be conformed to the image / made like Jesus (again check the bible for yourself - Romans 8:29). See how simple it is: your purpose to love God and love others is tied in with God's purpose for you. As you are conformed to be more like Jesus, you grow in your ability to love and obey. God is the one who does it all. It's so simple - it just doesn't sell books.
THIS WILL WAKE
YOU UP IF YOU THINK
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU
PURPOSE DRIVEN CHRISTIANITY....A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT UNTO MAN, OR WHO'S END IS DESTRUCTION?
"First they came for "resisters" and "pillars" of Brunswick Reformed Church, Brunswick, Ohio because they opposed Purpose Driven Life and Church, but I didn't speak up because I was not a member of Reformed Church of American (RCA) denomination.
Then they came after a lady who was an elder lady in the faith who had been with the First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas since 1956 by shouting her down with spiritual euthanasia and aggressive mean-spirited behavior, and the intimidation of seven attorneys, because she opposed them turning their landmark Criswell Center into a Purpose Driven entertainment center. But I did not speak up because I was not a widow.
Then they held a trial for two families at Valley Baptist Church in Lakeland, Minnesota, but I didn't speak up because I was not a member of the General Baptist Convention.
Then they came after 165 members of Gardendale Baptist Church, Corpus Christi, Texas and ran them out of the church, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Southern Baptist.
Then a brother did finally speak up and tried to warn Eugene Christian Fellowship because they had gone Purpose Driven, but they threatened legal action and told him to stop spamming them. But I did not speak up for fear of being accused of spamming or being sued by a church.
Then a news reporter for a large Christian radio network sounded the alarm on His Holy Hill of this clear and present danger. They ran the story, but received more gnashing of teeth from callers then they had ever had, so they censored this story from their Agape Press print media news service.
Then still another brother on another Christian radio ministry broadcast testimonies of Christians thrown out of their churches across the country, but the network threatened to remove his show from the air, if another broadcast was ever made that said anything bad about Rick Warren. But I did not speak up because I had friends and family who were either employed by an organization that promoted Purpose Driven Church, or were in Purpose Driven Church, and I did not want to lose those relationships.
Then they came after a large group of members at New Hope Church in Bend, Oregon. But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a member of The Evangelical Church denomination or the National Association of Evangelicals.
Then they came after a carpenter and his wife at Calvary Community Church in Phoenix, Arizona with the police and a sheriff and escorted him out of the church and off of the grounds for trying to expose the deeds of darkness and the teachings of Rick Warren, telling him that if he returned, he would be arrested. But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a member of the Calvary Chapel denomination.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me, because every church in the nation had become Purpose Driven and part of his Global PEACE Plan."
Compiled and Adapted
by James Sundquist
Based on Rev. Martin Neimoeller's Poem written in 1945
(c)2005 Rock Salt Publishing
Used by Permission
A LETTER I RECEIVED FROM A READER
Tonight, owing to a vow I made yesterday at a Christian funeral, I went to church. I have always believed that a Christian should be in church when the doors are opened. For years I have stayed away because my best efforts at finding a church have failed. Anyway, tonight I found a church listed in the phone book under "INDEPENDENT." When I got there, I asked if there was going to be a Bible study. I was assured there would be. (Can you imagine we're to a place where one has to ASK!)
I took my seat, and a moment later was handed a study guide that, well, stunned me. A moment after that, a video began and I got up and left. The study guide and video was on the subject of THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE and featured Rick Warren. That was what happened to me tonight when I tried my very best to go to a place where I could hear the Word of God.
In case I failed to bad-mouth (read: "tell the truth about") Warren, he used to be my upstairs neighbor at an office complex in Laguna Hills, California when he was just starting out. I never had a conversation with the man but that I walked away convinced he was a RANK LIBERAL disguised as a Baptist minister.
CRITIQUE AND LINKS FROM MANY OBSERVERS:
Highly Questionable Methods by Robert Reymond
Questions for Pastors of Seeker-Sensitive Churches; Part
By Aaron Menikoff Are there biblical principles that regulate the shape and flow of a corporate service? Does God leave churches to decide how to conduct their own worship services, or does He Himself tell us in His Word how He is to be approached in worship?
Christ Alone by Michael Horton
Christ Centered Preaching from Genesis to Revelation
The Purpose Driven Life Guidance or Misguided? Reasons Not to Join the 'Purpose Driven Life' Movement Marshall C. St. John
The Purpose Driven Life By Rick Warren Reviewed by Paul Alexander
Book Review - Transitioning by Tim Challies
Purpose, PEACE And New Spirituality by Tim Challies
Revival? WHAT Revival?! by Chris Carmichael
Looking to "grow" your church? Just watch this animated tutorial on "ChristianPragmatism" and you'll soon be on your way to building your very own mega-church!
The Church of the Highest Common Denominator Some Thoughts on Church Growth from a Reformed Perspective by Kim Riddlebarger
On Preaching in a Post-modern City ; Part
II; by Tim Keller
Preaching the gospel vs. religion and irreligion - The Third Way"; Moralism vs. Christ Centered exposition.
Purpose Driven Life by John V. Fesko
The Adulation of Man in The Purpose Driven Life By Richard Bennett
The Purpose Driven Life: Demeaning the Very Nature of God (Part 2) By Richard Bennett New!
Purpose Driven Life": A Modern Day "Golden Calf" by Joseph
a short essay by John Hendryx
Marketing techniques may indeed bring people in to be entertained, but the only thing God has promised to bless is "the foolishness of preaching" the gospel.
Anguish: My Kinsmen Are Accursed
Sermon by John Piper
There is a sad irony in the seeming success of many Christian churches and schools. The irony is that the more you adjust obscure Biblical doctrines to make Christian reality more attractive to unbelievers, the less Christian reality there is when they arrive... If you adjust your doctrine to fit the world in order to attract the world, sooner or later the world realizes that they already have what the church offers. That was the story of much of mainline Protestantism in Europe and America in the 20th century. Adjust your doctrine or just minimize doctrine to attract the world, and in the very process of attracting them, lose the radical truth that alone can set them free.
Creek: Conversion Without Commitment
by Laura M. Kaczorowski
Wrong with Being Seeker-Centered? Gregory Koukl
Most churches that try to be seeker sensitive end up being seeker centered. The church becomes for the seeker rather than Christians.
40 Days of Community by Challies.com New! September 21, 2004 - Make sure you read the commentary at the end of the explanation.=
Church Growth Movement by Jack Sin
The late twentieth and early twenty-first century have witnessed the proliferation of churches, some of which have mushroomed overnight into mega ecclesiastical outfits with aggressive marketing policies.
The Ethnocentricity of the American Church Growth Movement: In Brazil, Nigeria, and many other parts of the two-thirds world, some brothers and sisters are singing an interesting new...
Four Types of Churches & Their Relation to Culture
1. Church against culture (Pietism, Modern Evangelicalism, dispensational)
2. Church separate from the culture- the holy huddle (Fundamentalism, Monasticism)
3. Church integrated into culture- cannot tell the difference between believers and nonbelievers (Seeker Sensitive & Liberal Churches)
4. Church having an impact on their community to transform the culture- agents of change (Covenantal/Reformed & Progressive Evangelicals)
Critique of the "Seeker-Sensitive, Purpose-Driven" Church Model
by Dan Norcini (10-part series)
Part 1; Part 2; Part 3; Part 4; Part 5; Part 6; Part 7; Part 8; Part 9 ;Part 10
- There is a tidal wave that is sweeping over the American church in these last days prior to the new millenium. It is not an outbreak of persecution nor is it a flood of oppression directed against those who would live godly in Christ Jesus. Rather it is a novel approach to presenting the gospel that threatens to overwhelm the very foundations of the Christian faith inherited from our fathers. It goes by several names but is commonly referred to as the "seeker-sensitive" or "user-friendly" method. Among these various approaches there are two that stand out in particular. The first of these is the Willow Creek approach known as the "seeker-sensitive" model.
Observations about The Purpose Driven Life by Tim Todd:
My problem here is what I call disporportionate influence of imagery. The father of the Prodigal is an important Biblical image. It's not meant to determine everything in worship and preaching. God does laugh and sing over His children. He is the good shepherd that rejoices over one sheep. But when coming to an overall conception of God, no one image should disproportionately influence the whole. In other words, the fear of the Lord, the Holiness of God, the Otherness of God, the Attributes of God should never be reduced by a single image or illustration. I feel this is what has happened in modern pop theology. I hear college student testimonies talk about God in "daddy" terms, and the integrating concept is their own idea of daddy, not Yahweh of the Old Testament.
- Michael Spencer
The Person of Christ-Driven Life by Rev. Charles R. Biggs
Church Growth - God's Way by Dennis Rokser Part I, Part II by Dennis Rokser
EVALUATION OF THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT Presented by Kirk Wellum, Pastor
Sovereign Grace Community Church
God in Mans Image A critique of John Eldredges Wild At Heart By Rut Etheridge III
Purpose Driven Church A Critique By John C. Orlando, Jr. (.pdf)
"Beginning a message with people's felt needs is more than a marketing tool! It is based on the theological fact that God chooses to reveal Himself to man according to our needs."
(Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Church, pg. 295)
am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men?
If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ."
- Galatians 1:10-11
Examination of Rick Warren's Teaching on "Exponential Growth" by
The video on exponential growth, presented by Warren, is one of the most shocking teachings I have ever seen emerge from a Southern Baptist. Our denomination is considered conservative and thoroughly Bible-based. When a minister in the SBC presents philosophies or doctrines that are contrary to scripture, he must be rebuked. This is true of the pastor of the smallest congregation as well as the largest. The fact that Saddleback Church is the largest in our movement makes this action so much more urgent.
Worship by Tim Keller (.pdf)
The Gimmick Gospel by W. F. Bell
Biblically Speaking Essays on the Church Growth Movement by Paul Proctor
The Peoples Church, Willow Creek, and the Church Growth Movement by Paul Proctor "The bottom line is this; Willow Creek is a showboat, sold as a Christian cruise that in time will be remembered as another Titanic."
The Gospel: A Method or a Message? How the Purpose Driven Life Obscures the Gospel by Bob DeWaay - Warrens man-centered theology comes with more evangelical ideas than does Schullers. Warren includes many more Biblical truths than Schuller ever did. In my opinion this makes Warren more deceptive than Schuller. Schuller ignored the Bible and depended on psychological concepts. Warren uses perverted Bible translations that change God-centered passages to man-centered passages. By carefully selecting the right mistranslation for each of his teaching points he has made the man-centered theology touted by Schuller seem Biblical.
Pied Pipers of Purpose: Human Capital Systems and Church Performance by Lynn
D. Leslie, Sarah H. Leslie and Susan J. Conway
The Megachurch Phenomenon Rev. George C. Chip Hammond
In Fast-Paced Culture, Christians Turning to Quick Spiritual Fix Adam J. Eitel
The Gospel According to Hybels & Warren by Nathan Busenitz
Rick Warren's Scary Movement: A Rant The Pop, The Fizz and the Purpose-Driven Biz by Michael Spencer
The Purpose Driven Life - A Review by Tony Capoccia
The Peoples Church, Willow Creek, and the Church Growth Movement by Paul Proctor Willow Creek and Bill Hybels' theology By James Sundquist
The Purpose-Driven Church by Nathan Busenitz
Is This Evangelicalism's Terminal Generation? by Albert Mohler
"Does the Truth Matter Anymore?" part 1 - part 2 - part 3 - part 4 by John MacArthur (pdf Notes from video series)
Warren A Compendium of quotes
The Urgency of Preaching by Albert Mohler
What's Wrong with "User Friendly"? by John MacArthur
The Seeker-Sensitive Movement by John MacArthur
Gimme that Showtime Religion by John MacArthur
What's Inside the Trojan Horse? by John MacArthur ...Church leaders reacted to the world's indifference, not by a return to strong biblical preaching that emphasized sin and repentance, but by a pragmatic approach to 'doing' churchan approach driven more by marketing, methodology, and perceived results than by biblical doctrine.
Swimming Upstream by R. C. Sproul
Is the church growing because of the church growth movement? Yes and no. Individual churches are growing, but the church is standing still. Though church growth pundits desire to win the lost usually what happens is they lose the found.
Stupid Church Tricks by Gene Edward Veith
The Deformed Theology of Seeker Sensitivity by Don Matzat
The Purpose-Driven Life: An Evaluation Part I & Part II by Southern View Chapel
Once we believe we have the right to change the meaning of God?s Word to suit our agenda, there is no limit as to how far the misrepresentation of God?s truth can go. This is exactly how virtually every cult and heresy is started.
The Refusal of Christ to Conform to the Wishes of the People by David W. Hall
Only Half of Pastors Have 'Biblical' Worldview By Fred Jackson and Jody Brown
Christian Researcher Says That Explains Why So Few Believers Reflect this Outlook
The Church Growth Movement & Purpose Driven Church VERSUS The Bible
A COMPARISON CHART CREATED BY JAMES SUNDQUIST
The Six Commandments of the Boomers by Todd Wilken
Feeding Sheep or Amusing Goats? by C. H. Spurgeon
The Willow Creek Dilemma: Why Our Association With Them Is Wrong by Chris Carmichael
Whom Is Worship? Peter Leithart
Seeker-Sensitive Churches by The Family Corner
Problems Related to Seeker-Sensitive Worship by John Armstrong
"Trendier-Than-Thou": An Essay by John H. Armstrong
The Contemporary Church by John H. Armstrong
The rush is on. How contemporary can we really be? How in the world will we ever get the unchurched to come when virtually all they know comes through 30 second sound bytes?
Problems with the Church Growth Movement By Darryl M. Erkel
Is Attending Church A Spectator Event? by Darryl M. Erkel
Megachurches, Megabusinesses by Luisa Kroll (Forbes.com)
... Rick Warren ...The Purpose Driven Church A Critique by W.B. Howard
Niche Marketing, Audience-Driven, Full Service Churches: How We Got Here?
By Orrel Steinkamp
Church Growth Gone Mad: A sobering look at the church growth seeker-sensitive models by Clay Miller
Is Your Church Up a Creek? - A Brief Intor to the Church Growth Movement
Niche Marketing, Audience-Driven, Full Service Churches: How We Got Here?
By Orrel Steinkamp
The 'Alpha' and 'Christianity Explained' Courses by Robin Weeks Jan 17, 2004
The course has a noticible absence of certain doctrines: God the Creator and God's holiness.
The last thing many believers need today is to go to another Bible study. They already know far more than they are putting into practice. (Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Life , 2002, pg. 231)
"They [the early
Christians] were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching
and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer praising God and having
favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day
those who were being saved." - Acts 2:42, 47
Churches: Postmodern Seeker Sensitivity by Craig W. Booth
Willow Creek "Suburbanizes" the Church by Aaron D. Wolf
Robert Schuller and The Seeker Sensitive Church By Bob DeWaay
The Market-Driven Church: A Look Behind the Scenes By Gary E. Gilley
Another Gospel The Dangers of the "Seeker-Sensitive", Man-Centered Gospel by Dennis Pollock
Willow Creek: Conversion Without Commitment by Laura M. Kaczorowski
Niche Marketing, Audience-Driven, Full Service Churches: How We Got Here?
By Orrel Steinkamp
The Willow Creek Dilemma: Why Our Association With Them Is Wrong Chris Carmichael
Willow Creek Style - Is This of God? by F.J. Smith
The 'Alpha' and the 'Christianity Explored' Course By Robin Weeks
Don't Stop Preaching By Geoff Thomas
Where are the preachers of the gospel in our land today? There are plenty of performers, but where are the proclaimers?
The Dumbing Down of Doctrine by George M. Ella
The Peoples Church, Willow Creek, and the Church Growth Movement by Paul Proctor
Insider's Look at Willow Creek's Deepening Apostasy by Mary Fairchild
Why is Willow Creek promoting New Age spirituality and mysticism like "vain repetition" mantras, centering, and listening to "the voice within" in their women's groups?
New Liberals by Don Matzat
Evangelicalism has produced a new breed of liberals. These "new liberals" claim to believe what the Bible says and retain orthodox theology,but they adopt the same notion of cultural relevance that drove the old liberals.
Sensitivity of True Worship Jim Elliff
by Bill Izard. "Will we seek to please the true Object of our worship at the risk of losing our good standing with the "seeker"? Can we depend upon Christ to build His church without abusing the purity of worship?"
The New Gospel: Appealing But Not Revealing By Jim Elliff
Christ's Refusal To Conform To The People by David W. Hall
A New Song Part I ; Part II, Part III by By Paul Proctor
Diaprax in the Contemporary Church by Dr. Robert Klenck
Dialectic & Praxis: Excerpts by Dean Gotcher
"Instead of instructing us to know, trust, and obey the Word of God, today there is an emphasis on thinking and feeling about how we can modify or redefine the Word of God to further human relationships."
Interview on Diaprax in the Church Dean Gotcher
Diaprax Goes To Seminary by Paul Proctor
Revivals Golden Key by Ray Comfort (online book)
Finding A Church A Brief Guide For the Discriminating Worshiper By Michael S. Horton
Chicken Little Goes to Church by Rev. P. Andrew Sandlin
Why The Show Must Not Go On My Problem With Revivalism by Michael Spencer
"... the first thing we must realize about the situation we are in today is its desperate character. It is urgent. In other words, the trouble, as I see it, with the Church today is that she does not realize, as she should, that her primary need, and her urgent need at the moment, is the need of life itself. The problem confronting us is not a problem of methods, or of organization, or of making a slight adjustment here and there, or improving things a little bit, or keeping them up-to-date, or anything like that. It seems to me that we are really down to this basic issue. The problem of society today is not a superficial problem, it is a very radical one. The whole outlook upon life is involved ...
Now that is the situation, and it is the situation confronting the Church. There is no doubt that we have been living on the capital of the past - as you go round this country and look at the congregations, you will see that very quickly. You can carry on for a certain length of time on tradition, and by custom, and habit, but the point is bound to come when you cease to have any capital left and then you realize that you are facing something absolutely ultimate, something which is fundamental. And that, as 1 say, is the whole situation today of the Christian Church. We really are in the position of this man Isaac.
And the problem confronting us is the need of life itself, the need of that fundamental power and vigour in every activity of the Church which really can make an impact upon the world, and do something vital and drastic with regard to the whole trend of affairs at the present time; the need of life, the need of power, the need of the Spirit himself.
chapter 2 of Revival, by Dr. Martyn Lloyd Jones, Crossway Books, Wheaton
Ill., Copyright 1987
The seeker sensitive/purpose driven churches are perhaps representative of the most culturally captive in all of Christian history. Possibly even more so than the liberal churches that arose during the 19th century. It is really quite painful to consider that we willfully ignore history this way and thus appear to be doomed to repeat its mistakes. Those promoting the seeker sensitive movement, like Warren, encourage error by implying that the Reformation was the time for doctrinal change but that now we merely need to shift our focus to praxis and cultural relevance.
Many of you may not know that this is exactly what theological liberalism has believed for well over a century. This argument might have been successfully made if the majority of evangelicals actually understood basic doctrine, but unfortunately we don't. A large percentage of evangelicals today reject or ignore many of the most important doctrinal contributions the Reformation has made to our understanding of Scripture. Theology is often shunned, and for some, to embrace anti-intellectualism is like a badge of spirituality. Having been near dead for the last 100 years, theology and not praxis is really the most critical need facing the contemporary church.
The fluff coming out of the seeker movement is really only compounding the problem. No doubt our praxis would be right if our understanding of Scripture was right, since thinking God's thoughts after Him gives rise to true affection for God. However, to the extent that we think wrong thoughts about God, to that same extent we commit idolatry. Christians must engage in theological studies to some extent because the Scriptures demand it (1 Timothy 4:6, 2 Timothy 4:3, Titus 1:9, Titus 2:7) so those who teach that doctrine is unimportant are promoting something directly contrary to our Lord's desire. I know may in the seeker movement would deny this but frankly most evenagelicals today know really very little about the Jesus they claim to serve.
The leaders of these churches are denying their flocks the very food they need for true nourishment. Those who love God love His Word. I am all for promoting meekness, humility and infectious Christian living but any movement that plays down theology in favor of something less is severely problematic and puts the cart before the horse. It can only result in creating a god in our own image to cater to our every felt need. Love without content means that the Jesus you say you love may not be the Jesus revealed in the Scripture, but rather a Jesus you invented. So because many of us worship in citadels of unbelief, one of the greatest challenges we face, I believe, is the re-evangelization the church, because the half-gospel that relies on methods rather preaching the word in the power of the Spirit of God is the main culprit of our lukewarmness.
FORUM OF YOUNG ADULTS
This shows that even unsaved and shallow Christians can figure this out
if their mind is in gear.
As is typical (I'm guessing) for the first Sunday after New Years, the sermon today at my church was "Do You Have a Goal?" My pastor talked about living with a purpose, living with goals. He quotes Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life. He asked the question, "Have you ever thought of Jesus in that way? As a man with a goal? As a purpose driven individual? Was Jesus goal-oriented?" He asked the question, and then gave an emphatic answer, "You bet! Jesus was incredibly purpose driven!"
His reasoning? The cross. Everything about Jesus' message, his life, his healings, etc. was about the cross [sidenote: Fr Patrick likes to remind me that evangelical Protestants are too focused on the cross - yes, obviously, it's important - but what about the resurrection!? THAT is where emphasis should be placed, and is placed within the Orthodox faith. They sing songs about the cross, but they are always followed by a song of hope, about the resurrction]. He would leave areas where ministry was going strong, because he knew he had to continue on --- to the cross.
Jesus purpose driven? Do I want to follow and worship a Purpose Driven Jesus?
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Jesus have a purpose? Yes, I guess so. Was there a way in which he was oriented
toward that goal? Sure. But to label him as "purpose-driven" strikes me as unseemly
and potentially dangerous.
Posted by: Jimmy | January 4, 2004 07:11 PM
i agree with jimmy. my jesus is wild and dangerous (and also loving), not purpose-driven.
Posted by: lucas | January 4, 2004 08:22 PM
realize that I'm about to possibly derail the discussion by not addressing your
questions about the book, but I have to ask: Jesus' purpose was the cross? Hmm.
The Church Fathers tended towards the view that the ultimate end of Christ's earthly
ministry was the resurrection, and that the cross was the means to that end. Do
you think that this is a catholic (note the small "c") vs. Protestant view of
Posted by: Karen | January 4, 2004 08:22 PM
point Karen! In my haste to be a smart-ass, I may have obscrured a far more compelling
question to be raised about this notion that Jesus' singular purpose was to die
on a cross. I would agree this flows out of certain Protestant theories of the
atonement and the typical evangelical impulse to make the atonement into the only
thing that matters!
Posted by: Jimmy | January 4, 2004 10:28 PM
what is really scary to me is just how many churches throughout america are doing
this book! can't any one be creative?! in looking for new jobs on the internet
it all looks the same! i personally have avoided the book altogether due to it's
extreme popularity and the abundance of copies at my local christian bookstore!
it reminds me of the prayer of jabez, my friend who manages a christian bookstore was leaving for work one day a year or so ago and her husband called her back in..."hey hun, pick us up some of that prayer of jabez toliet paper while you're at work cause we're out"
i don't want a brand name jesus...
and if we just have the cross then death wins...
PS i hate doing the newsletter too! lil
Posted by: lillylewin | January 4, 2004 11:31 PM
can see where you guys are coming from and i agree, it seems weird to me to say
"purpose driven jesus" - BUT - i think we should remember that this term does
not come from the book, but rather this pastor who made the statement.
Posted by: scott | January 5, 2004 01:35 AM
havent read the book, but the way i hear and see that it's a trend all over the
world, the more i'm convinced that it has just become a cliche and bussiness-minded
Posted by: truegossiper | January 5, 2004 05:24 AM
of the comments here are great, and if I were to hear the idea in a sermon that
Jesus was purpose driven, and that his purpose was the cross. I would cry "party
foul". If that is true, then the gospel is about us. If it is about us, then we
can package it, market it, sell it. We can't. When we try to, we neuter the gospel.
I would argue, loudly, that Jesus main goal wasn't to die, but to usher in the
kingdom of God in a new way. His first written words at the start of his ministry,
was "the kingdom of God is here" I don't see anything about me in there.
Posted by: dave | January 5, 2004 12:11 PM
you say that:
Jesus' purpose WAS to ... "endure the cross ...and sit down at the right hand of the throne of God"? -- As in Hebrews 12:2
Jesus purpose IS to ... "reign, til he hath put all enemies under his feet" -- as in 1 Corinthians 15:25
Jesus purpose WILL BE to ... "judge the world in righteousness" -- as in Acts 17:31
Posted by: Bill | January 6, 2004 06:22 PM
I don't believe that Jesus' whole purpose was to die on the cross. Where I see his purpose is to show us how to have a more direct, more fulfuilling relationship with God and with each other.
didn't care much for Warren's book. It felt wrong to me, but that's just my feeling
Posted by: Mumcat37 | January 6, 2004 11:45 PM
Purpose Driven Life and The Passion of The Christ are two of the ultimate Universal
Ecumenical Evangelistic Campaigns to retrieve the Lost Sheep of The Roman Catholic
faith, "Protestant Evangelicals" and "unbelievers", to unite under the prophesied
ecumenical global religion that will ultimately unite with all faiths. Purpose
driven is part of the Church Growth Movement for the Bible Iliterate and who are
easily led by the dialectic process. Assimilation in process! Be forewarned beloved,
test the semantics of words, doctrines, and movements. Or you too, will be assimilated.
Posted by: John Knee | March 24, 2004 02:37 PM
and, Rick Warren is a spiritual BASTARD (Hebrews 12:8).
Rick Warren is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and his recent visit to Asaad of Syria is clearly a New World Order assignment to tinker with the Middle East. Under cover of just dropping by for coffee and baklava, Warren is clearly doing duty for Lucifer's soldiers in high places. If you or your pastor or your local church have ANYTHING to do with Rick Warren, you are a blasted fool.
Read how dull and utterly stupid Warren followers are-- they are spiritual air heads.
Warren says the Church has replaced the Holy Ghost in the world as the prime force and mover. That is Whore language. Benny XVI must love that. All we need next is for Pope Benny to marry Rick Warren, and we are ready for the false christ who will come. Mark it down, The Manifest Sons of God, the Rhema boys, and other killer terrorists in Evangelicalism, will one day be the final enemy of the true Bride of Christ. You are out of your ever loving mind if you buy into the Dominion Warren circus. Warren will one day, from his seat on the CFR, finger Fundamentalists and Evangelicals who decline to join the Whore, and YOU who were suckered in by him will be hanging on the inside of a barb wire enclosure looking out !!
We do NOT need "emerging church" my dear reader, we need Apostolic church in your living room. Paul settled for that, and you are a damned fool if you cannot be satisfied with plain Christianity. I am enraged regularly with the Jolt Cola religion some of you Fundamental Baptists, Pentecostals, and slobbery Evangelicals vomit up in the name of the Carpenter of Nazareth.
I would entertain the comments of any Warren groupies out there. Let me hear you defend your New Age White Trash leader please. SEND MAIL
News With Views on Warren's treason
Chopra on Larry King-- Very revealing
John MacArthur in the lion's den.
Warren has tied his wagon to Chopra and
the New Age, and you see here how viciously
they hate Jesus Christ.
End of video
RICK WARREN LEAGUES UP WITH A HINDU SEX PERVERT
THIS VIDEO IS DYNAMITE AND SHOWS HOW RICK WARREN IS INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO DESTROY HISTORIC CHRISTIANITY
WATCH THE UNGODLY MOCK BECAUSE OF WARREN'S FOLLY
EXHAUSTIVE EXPOSURE OF WICK WARREN
MEET RICK WARREN'S BED FELLOWS
LIKE JOEL OSTEEN, WICK WARREN IS OVER POWERED BY THE DEVIL IN OPRAH
RODNEY HOWARD BROWN RENOVATED AND CHURCH GROWTH
Rick Warren answers the Davos Question
Video at right: Watch Warren grab the
whole wicked world and dignify
them for "good" works....>
RICK WARREN IS AN EAGER PROMOTER
OF THE EMERGING CHURCH MOVEMENT
RICK WARREN TO SPEAK AT
NEW AGE CONNECTIONS AND
SHOOTING CRAPS WITH THE HOLY GHOST
Make the prophecy of a sweeping world revival, and if anything close to it happens,
you can claim the credit for being the prophet up front who had the inside information.
THIS ALL STARTED WITH PETER WAGNER OF FULLER CEMETERY
MASSIVE LIST OF ARTICLES EXPOSING THE ARMINIAN SIDE OF
CHURCH GROWTH FRENZY AND SPIRITUAL GIFTS HERESIES
THE EVENGELICAL ATTRACTION TO MYSTICISM
CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUAL FORMATION / EMERGENT
The noting with Richard Foster and Rick Warren is that the Truth is emerging now.
This is the same rubbish as Kierkegaard promoted when he said the truth becomes
real when I experience it. It is pure existentialism, and the Word, and God, and Jesus
Christ, and the Holy Ghost all wait with bated breath to see if you and I will get the
We have no such Hindu god in the Glory. His Truth, in the Word of God, will be the
same eternal Truth is was from eternity past, when Richard Foster was pooping his
diaper, and in the future when Richard Foster is screaming in hell for water. Selah.
Inauguration Prayer by Rick Warren:
RICHARD FOSTER AND THE BE STILL DVD
Finally, and this is very important, there are false teachers who are clearly not Christians and there are those who either are Christians or profess that they are. If a pastor or teacher teaches false teaching, they are not immediately labelled or marked as false teachers....we all make mistakes. It is only if they refuse correction, and ONLY after a second warning do you have the right to call them a false teacher. Peter promoted some false teachings, but would not be considered a false teacher because he repented. Richard Foster has been warned at least twice and still refuses to repent, so any Christian is perfectly within their rights to label or mark him as a false teacher and warn anyone considering his books or any church considering inviting him to speak. Here is the Biblical authority for you to take this action: "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." Titus 3:10-11 MORE
NICE PEOPLE PLAYING NICE LAODICEAN CHURCH
THE BLUSTER, THE BOMBAST, AND THE BULL-- Feely feely religion
Note the new speak. It is designed to appeal to your lust for self and ego.
THE NEW AGE AND ITS INVASION OF CHRISTENDOM
THE MARRIAGE OF THE POLITICAL LEFT TO EMERGENT CHURCH
"WHEN THE TIDE IS LOW, EVERY SHRIMP HAS ITS OWN PUDDLE"
If you believe there is a Beast counterfeit of Christ coming, and a Whore Church to worship him,
then the Emergent Church is the time of pregnancy. The Emergent Church will join all world religions
soon to accomplish what Pope John Paul II never dreamed of in his prayer meeting at Assisi. As the
nurse says in OB, "we have dilation starting."
PAUL PROCTOR FOLLOW UP ON THIS TOPIC
PAUL PROCTOR ON THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIE
HOW THE PURPOSE DRIVEN MESSAGE DAMNED A SOUL TO HELL
FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION ARTICLE
RICK WARREN'S PLAN USED IN MANY CATHOLIC CHURCHES
MYSTIC SOURCE OF WARREN'S BLASPHEMY
RICK WARREN'S BLASPHEMOUS USE OF THE WORD OF GOD
SADDLEBACK EMERGENT PROFANE-HOLY MISTURE IN "WORSHIP"
THE BUSINESS MANAGEMENT ASPECT OF MANIPULATING THE SAINTS' SOULS
THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT AND POWERFUL BLAST AT "PURPOSE DRIVEN CHEESE"
NEW AGE IMPLICATIONS OF PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH
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