Examining hymns that have heretical notions, fantasy, and hymns that borrow from degrading genre

Steve Van Nattan







Using the hymn Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee as an example

Presenter: Steve Van Nattan
From the Hill Country of Texas, with an attitude


What do you think about this clever innovation in Christian music? They start out with a classical piece, and then intertwine a Christian hymn with it. The classical piece may be by the moral animal Mozart, but never mind, it is SO clever, right?

Wrong. It is mixture.

Hosea 7:8 (KJV) Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people (God's people); Ephraim is a cake not turned.

God does not like mixture in his people.

Daniel 2:43 (KJV) And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

We are in the Last Days of this dispensation, and the world craves mixture.

Christendom craves mixture also. Sunday morning in most churches includes a "Praise and Worship" time in which the musical beat and trap set of Boubon Street is mixed up with the Gospel. The salt is only very lightly added, and it is done in the most mild dose of doctrine, and with much "vain repetition." The fact that it makes you FEEL good only proves that your brain is gone out of gear, and your emotions are ruling.

There is one piece of classical music that I think is the most dead boring music ever written-- "Canon in Duh" by Johann Pachelbum. On an ordinarily very good online Christian radio station I just heard a godly hymn all mixed up with Packelbum. What a bunch of rubbish!

Philippians 4:8 (KJV) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Why mix the world's profane slop with the good things of God?

"Ah, well now," you say, "Are you saying we should not listen to classical music?"

I am not saying that at all. Enjoy Pachelbum and Mozart if you like. And, if you get the warn fuzzies out of Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, and Alabama, so be it. But, do not MIX these products of worldly men with the holy things of God. For example, it is mixture and blasphemy to tolerate Glenn Miller playing "Amazing Grace."

Ezekiel 44:23 (KJV) And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.


"Profane" in King James 1611 English (Hebrew- Chol- common, or exposed by contrast with the holy), does not always imply something sinful. But, profane means something that is of man, earthy, common, and distinct from the holy. If you have liberty in some earthy things, and most of us do, just do not MIX them with the holy and pretend that the rest of us will be blessed with your little trick.

Charles Spurgeon smoked cigars, but not in the pulpit and not in the church house.


1. Deutchland, Deutchland, Uber Alles (Glorious Things of Thee are Spoken)

Now, I will make someone very angry, but here is a point of blasphemy. I hear a hymn sung to this music, Deutchland, Deutchland, Unber Alles. What do YOU say to using Hilter's national anthem with Christian words--

Listen and watch.

Second dose if the first did not get to you.

This nationalist song is meant to give the singer an almighty feeling about Germany. Kick the rest of the world in the teeth. And, nothing has changed in Germany in recent times. Angela Merkel is kicking the EU in the teeth daily and trying to take total control of European destiny for German interests. This is why Adoph Hitler did not invent a new anthem. He loved the Germanic arrogance in the existing anthem.

A German YouTube host makes the issue very clear (English spoken)

The original tune is by Joseph Haydn-- It was called the Kaiserquartett I.E. Emperor Quartet.

"Haydn was a devout Catholic who often turned to his rosary when he had trouble composing, a practice that he usually found to be effective."

Hymn poetry was written to the tune later, and the German national anthem came after that. In fact, several hymns are set to the tune, and the oldest is said to be Roman Catholic.

Here are the hymn lyrics sung to this national anthem of a nation which has all but renounced all knowledge of God since the Second World War.

Alternate tune- The lyrics of the hymn are doctrinally sound and written by John Newton.

The issue is, it was the national anthem of Nazi Germany, and Germans and older Americans, know that. This makes the hymn offensive because of flashbacks. I KNOW there are Germans and other people who have bad feelings when the hymn is played or sung. One brother told me his parents sat and trembled when they heard any of these nationalist songs being sung, even with alleged Christian words. They had been in Nazi Germany, and they never got over the terror of the night rallies. How dare we force these kick butt nationalist tunes on such people under color of Christian lyrics?



Here is the national anthem of the EU. It is Ode to Joy to which Beethoven wrote his jackboot 9th Symphony.

The poetic pagan lyrics are by Friedrich Schiller, and they are an ode to the goddess.

Schiller wrote what he believed:
"Mankind is made great or little by its own will."
Friedrech Schiller

Listen and Watch

Listen and Watch-- In German with Supreme Kick Butt Arrogance

Listen-- Anthem of the EU- If you think this is church music, you are totally deluded.

See our page on the EU

If you think this is cute, I suggest you find a Bible believing German, and ask them what THEY think. 

Schiller's "father" is not my Father. They mix the goddess, mother nature, daughter of Elysium, the beer garden, and other pagan imagery with their "father." 

Here is the punch line--
This anthem is the music to which Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee is sung.
Please notice how VERY suspect the "Christian" lyrics are--
It seems to be a message TO God,
"If you don't like it this way, God, get out of our way-- here we come."
Christ gets passing mention in the early stanzas, but later, MAN is declaring his jackboot intentions.

Blasphemy! Damnation on the traitor who invented this mixture.

Will you sing it again?

James 4:17 (KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Hosea 7:8 (KJV) Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.

And, so are modern Christians who mix the profane and the holy. Half baked !!

Added later:
If you must sing the hymn, try
There's a Wideness in God's Mercy,
but also Love Divine All Loves Excelling



This is an old Russian bar room song, and went, "My love and I go in the field together....." Russian Christians from past years who immigrated from Russia to California are greatly offended when they hear this hymn sung.


Charles Austin Miles (1868-1946)
This hymn is a real feebly feebly one. It is designed to make you feel that God treats you as his special pet and much more special to him than ordinary Christians. The Garden is a fantasy only hinted at implicitly, not explicitly, in the Bible. The imagery may be of God walking in the Garden of Eden with Adam before Adam fell. But the most heretical line is the last line in the chorus:

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am his own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

The notion that God gives you some private load of joy, which no other saint has experienced, is heresy. Read Psalm 103. David has as close a measure of joy with God as anyone who has ever lived, and he does not claim you cannot have it also.

John 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you (plural), that my joy might remain in you (plural), and that your (plural) joy might be full.

In the King James Bible, the word "you" is only used for "you" plural. He was speaking to all of the disciples. Every one of them got as much joy from Jesus as he could give anyone else. That includes you. You, singular, do NOT have a private arrangement with God. He is the God of all saints, and he gives all saints a full measure of joy if they come looking for him.

Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

What is the supreme blasphemy in this song?

It is that there is a caste system with God. It is implied that some believers have a higher place in the attention God gives to his people. This heresy belongs in Hinduism, not in biblical Christianity.

One more line in the hymn needs comment:

He speaks and the sound of His voice,
Is so sweet the birds hush their singing.

There is NO place in the Bible that states or implies that the birds of animals stop singing when Jesus is around. He created them, so if we were to go into fantasy land about the subject, we might better imagine that the birds would sing their heads off if their Creator came around. The fact is, the lines in the song are pure Mother Goose not more edifying than Here Comes Santa Clause.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

So, you want a fantasy that might by implied in the Word of God, do you? Well, get a mental picture of the great day in Heaven when the above verse is fulfilled. Imagine Jesus standing and saying, "Where are you, my good creatures whom I created?" They will NOT hush their singing. The cacophony will be massive, and we may all tremble at the sound of it. No one can keep silent when Jesus comes along.

Acts 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Satan wants you to believe that, when people, or birds, are confronted with Jesus Christ, they go silent. The opposite is the case, and only by speaking up about Jesus and his salvation can you please him.

The more subtle aspect of the hymn "In The Garden" is that it reeks of the deeper life movement. This was a movement about one hundred years ago that started in England and infected many churches in Europe and America and the mission fields of the world. It taught that each Christian is to seek a deep mystical relationship with Jesus that is private, superior, and special. A wretched caste system developed in which certain believers claimed to have a bigger load of sanctification then other saints. This nonsense is still with us in men like Leonard Ravenhill and many Charismatic leaders. Review In The Garden, and you will see what I mean.

The author of the hymn, Charles Austin Miles, wrote another hymn which has a very sound biblical message: If Jesus Goes With Me, I'll Go. See the lyrics here, and, See it sung here. Charles Miles got just one word wrong. Jesus said he would never leave us nor forsake us. So, change the word "If" to "Since," and you will be singing sound doctrine.

This discussion illustrates what I am trying to help you see. We only have ONE book that is infallible, that is, the Word of God. Our hymnals, though a rich source of blessing and comfort, MUST BE made subservient to the Word of God, and where the hymnal is at odds with sound doctrine, either stop singing that hymn, or change the lyrics to come in line with biblical doctrine.

Pastors..... It is time you taught the saints to discern what is sound doctrine in every area of church life, especially singing. The hymn you sing Sunday morning often lingers in the mind of believers all week long. Are you looking the other way with regard to hymns that are simply bad doctrine? This is a seed sowing issue.


Hawaiian love song from a Hollywood movie. "Now is the hour when we must say good-bye."
I have no problem with Vera Lynn singing that love song, but, in the name of God's holiness, DO NOT take the tune to church and dress it in Christian lyrics please.


Taken from Psalm 11:1 where the context is rebuking us for fleeing to the mountain instead to the Lord.
Psalms 11:1 In the LORD put I my trust: how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?
This is a truly blasphemous hymn. Fleeing to the mountain is a picture of a persecuted bird fleeing to the pagan mountain of nature worship and refuge insead of fleeing to God. Some fluff head spiritual derelict got the warm fuzzies from reading the first line of the above verse, went no farther, and started writing a poem. The melody is in the minor key, and it needs new words that fit the minor. It is a lovely melody.

Let us see if we can rescue the hymn, for the rest of it is doctrinally sound. The minor key fits very well with the message of fleeing from sin, and the melody is exceptionally well done. So, the hymn needs to be fixed and saved.

"Flee as a bird to your mountain,"
Thus, Satan whispers to thee;
Nay, thou shalt flee to the Savior,
He is thy refuge to be.
The rest of the hymn is sound biblically.

It is blasphemy to let a hymn be sung by a congregation that does violence to the Word of God and sound doctrine. It is also a very dim wit who will not sit down and ask God for help to change the poetry to be biblically correct. If you really have no ability to make good poetry, find someone who loves the Lord and can change the poetry of the hymn. If that fails, tell me the hymn, and I will try to write new biblical lyrics to it. SEND MAIL


This hymn is corrupted by Universalist and Unitarian imagery. Key New Age words are, "the divine spirit" and "illumine me". Just because the word God is used does not make anything Christian.


The composer was a wicked man and undoubtedly unsaved. The composer Michael Maybrick was a writer of vulgar and romantic popular music, he was a Freemason, and he was thought to be the actual Jack the Ripper.


A LITTLE TALK WITH JESUS (Scroll down the page)
Written by a Black preacher named Thomas Dorsey (not the big band leader), this song tells us a prayer wheel will be turning, and a little fire burning, when we have a talk with Jesus. The prayer wheel is absolutely unknown to the Bible, Israel, and the Church. It is a Tibetan pagan device for praying to the gods. The Buddhist religion is not tolerable to a Bible believer. See the prayer wheel in use in this video: HERE

When the Big Band Swing people all play some allegedly Christian hymn, watch out. Something is fishy in Denmark. HERE IS A NIGHT CLUB HONKY TONK HUSTLER DOING A LITTLE TALK WITH JESUS.


Do this when I am attending your church, sir, and I may come up there and bash you in the face in the name of the Lord. The House of the Rising Sun was a song about a real whore house in New Orleans.

I have never been able to figure out why the godless world loves Amazing Grace. It is a very doctrinally sound hymn. HERE IS WHAT I MEAN. That sounds like Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas to me. Whatever you do, do not take this style of singing or playing the hymn to church with you. John Newton would puke if he heard his hymn being done that way.


This Hillsong production is way over the top in blasphemy. I knew their Satanic inventions would keep getting worse and worse, but I was not prepared for this. This is 100% a Las Vegas or "Big Easy" performance, and it is intentionally loaded with sexual prompts to appeal to the groin of the men in the audience. If you believe the old saw, "God can use anything to accomplish his work," please SEND MAIL and give me five Bible verses which you imagine justify this hog slop.



When you sing these hymns in church services, you may be too young, or just badly informed, to recall the original tune and words. But, older people present remember, and they gag as they try to sing the hymns. They may have danced at the Aragon Ballroom in a sensual embrace with some hot dolly to that tune. Pastors and music directors must take this seriously. You are making a crass offense of what you believe is worship. Do you have to have your own way, or will you defer to the saints you claim to be serving?

There is a devilish accusation against Christian music, that is, many hymns have been adapted from bar room and pub songs. That myth was obviously started by some slop hog backslidden jerk who was trying to degrade the Lord's Church. HERE IS AN ARTICLE debunking this accusation. While there are rare cases of this, as with My God and I above, it is a lie of the devil.

Also, the fact that pop, jazz, and rock singers borrow lyrics from well known hymns does not make those popular songs Christian. God Bless You Please Mrs. Robinson is NOT a choice for a church choir to sing just because Jesus is mentioned.


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Southern Gospel Music

Mongrel Zeal

Work Which is Not God's Will



WORDS WE USE- Part One -- WORDS WE USE- Part Two

Other "Christian Songs" and "Hymns" which are remakes from the world:

Search Me O God--
This is a rework of the original: Now is The Hour sung by Marty Robins

My God and I Go in the Field Together-- This is a Russian tavern song. Old Mennonites who fled from Russia after the 1917 revolution found it very revolting when the tune was used with Christian lyrics in the USA.

Londonderry Air, used in Irish love songs, is the tune of I Cannot Tell and another Christian chorus. Anyone with the worldly lyrics in their memory will be quite distracted trying to sing the hymn. The most famous rendition of the Lontonderry Air is Oh, Danny Boy. with Roman Catholic overtones.

Blessed Assurance sung to the tune of Beautiful Dreamer-- This came and went in the 1960s, and let us hope it never returns.



Dr. Peter Masters on Church music mixed with worldly music

Dr. Peter Masters on Worship and the Emotions








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