THERE IS A LOT OF...

John Calvin

"Hear the old hellish murderer roar�
'For all, the Saviour did not die,
For only you, and not one more,
My children, who believe my lie!'
His children answer to his call,
And shout� 'Christ did not die for all!'"

IN THE REFORMED MOVEMENT

The Reformers have provided an Oasis half way between Augustinian Roman Catholicism and biblical Christianity. It is comfortable there, but it is, in fact spiritual schizophrenia.

Here is the historic beginning of the Reformed Church mind set:

1 Kings 18:21 (KJV) And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

While the Reformed Movement has a handful of truly born again people in it, the majority are folks who have never been born again. They are coasting on their heritage, "If you aren't Dutch, you aren't much," and they are famous for mixing whiskey and tobacco with their creeds.  They seldom have personal testimony that a sinner knows about, and they are rarely caught going soul winning or handing out tracts.  

As I said, there are a handful of exceptions, but precious few.  Their pastors are among the deadest people in their movement. I am not exaggerating. The zealous Reformed saints I have met have all been "lay people." Reformed people, their pastors being the worst, are social drinkers, and the pastors are absolutely wimped out to the majority opinion.  They all need alcoholic hooch at the Lord's Supper, which they cannot justify from the Word of God.

We show them no mercy.  Of 50 Reformed churches in the Grand Rapids, Michigan area, only two are King James Only. Recently, it took 7th Reformed in Grand Rapics two whole years to find a pastor who was Reformed in doctrine and KJV Only. There are a handful of Reformed Episcopal Churches which are KJV only churches, and I know of none which use the KJV in the Lutheran churches.

One of their own writers, Leonard Verduin, tried to call them back to the Narrow Way. The Reformed high tooliemucks in Calvin Seminary did everything but shoot Verduin for his strong medicine.  Verduin was a gentleman, and they managed to give him a pat on the head and side step him.  We, therefore; will be more direct with these who knew the truth but have denied the power thereof.  We will use the scourge of thongs, ever going for a verdict, making a difference, and hoping to "save some."

Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

 

ARTICLES:

CALVINISM

DEATH OF THE REFORMATION COMING

THE CUMULUS LAPIDUM

A LETTER FROM A SAINT DELIVERED FROM CALVINISM

A LETTER FROM A TRULY REFORMED SAINT
        About the Reformed and Lutheran Church leaders

REFORMED THEOLOGY ACCORDING TO GOOGLE VIDEO

VIDEO REPRESENTATION OF REFORMED THEOLOGY

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Letter from a reader in Australia:

The Reformation has done nothing but agitate people against Christ and the Gospel all using the name of grace and "sola scriptura" and 'sola fide'. Whilst the Papists have been guilty of sidetracking people from Christ through false works and other false ideas, the Reformation has been guilty of causing people to put private interpretation and humanistic thinking above Christ our God using a pious pretence. Any revivals that did occur was not because of the Reformation but in spite of it. This is because God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to the Truth of Christ.

Let us also not forget that even the Muslims love Martin Luther for his hatred of the Jews. I found out about this through a Radio Islam website where they hosted Martin Luther's tract against the Jews. The shoe indeed fits since Martin Luther had a half-hearted attitude in regards to Islam. On one hand, he wrote a tract against Islam, but with no substantial defence of basic Christian doctrine of Christ against it. On the other hand, Luther also advocated his followers to be buried in Muslim burial grounds and even advocated supporting the Turks at certain points to fight the Catholic rulers of Germany. Luther was nothing short of a traitor to both Christ and to humanity.

In my years in university, the ones who gave me the most headaches and burdens were not outright godless atheists (since I expected nothing good from them), but the Reformed Protestant evangelicals. These people would tolerate outright heresy and heretics in their midst who would deny any fundamental Scriptural teaching, all in the name of the grace of God, whilst attack me for being: "militant" and "bigoted" and so forth. The ones who came to my defence when both Scripture and Christ our God was under attack was unexpectedly (so I felt at the time) some very devout Eastern Orthodox (particularly Greek and Russian Orthodox).

I emphasize again that it is best to distance oneself from the Reformation as much as the Papacy.

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VIDEOS:

Here is a classic issue in Calvinism-- the total lack of the view from man's side. The Word of God is loaded with YOUR view as well as God's sovereign view. How YOU look at YOU is critical to your having victory in your Christian faith. The total lack of the view from man's side explains almost all the worldly and perverted living we see in Reformed Christians:


WATCH HERE


I am sorry Tim Conway uses another translation, but his points are dynamite. The discussion of Hebrews 2:1-- (KJV) Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip...... The discussion is NOT about God slipping, it is all about YOU and I slipping. I want to add an illustration. Have we not all met people in the market place who looked worldly, even talked worldly, and after we said something about Christ, they dove in and started adding comments and thoughts that made them sound like they were born again. I truly believe there are millions of such people, born again, elect, and secure in the hand of Christ, who have walked far off by letting their faith slip.

I also am convinced that there are those who have the five points of brother John Calvin down pat, can argue the theological issues to the depths, and have a Reformed (or Baptist or Charismatic) pedigree that is immaculate-- yet, they are damned to hell. In fact, I get much more confidence from unearthing spontaneous biblical truth in a man or woman who look like spiritual trash, and are dressed like fugitives from a baboon convention, than I do from the stiff authoritarian theologian trying to turn some simple Bible truth into a fifty page doctrinal dissertation for a seminary final exam.

 

LINKS:

HERE IS AN ARTICLE YOU NEED TO READ--
        Link to Dale Meador's site

I agree with much the author says. I too believe God is sovereign and will find, and bring to himself, whomever he has elected. I am not in a frenzy as the author accuses Arminians. I am not an Arminian. But, I have watched hundreds of Reformed Christians up close, and I can count on one hand the Calvinists whom I have caught directly giving a sinner the Gospel.

In every case that I can now recall, they were also Calvinists who did not have a very high view of their Calvinism. They refused to baptize their children until the kids were old enough to have been saved and speak of their salvation with zeal (Example: Leonard Verduin). They were also secretly reading pre-mil pre-trib books. I have never met a Calvinist pastor who was a soul winner. I would not be so stupid as to say there are none-- I just cannot find one. I have read a good number of missionary biographies about Reformed missionaries, and the majority taught reading, healed wounds, and lived a very godly life (with a daily cigar included). They practically made the seeker beg and plead to hear a word about Jesus Christ. This is a mongrel counterfeit of the biblical image of the evangelist.

So, there IS a problem with pasteurized, catechized, galvanized Calvinism. It is cold and dull and hiding behind human apologetics. It is based in a creed, not in Jesus Christ. I had a friend in the Army who could argue Calvinism and quote brother John fluently, but when I opened the Bible, this brimming intellectual got a blank stare on his face. Hmmmmmm

Within the most orthodox creed and doctrinal statement lurks the seed of heresy-- It is in the practical everyday human failure to carry out the creed. The Dalai Lama, the Pope, and the tin horned Mormon President from Salt Lake City could not make a more powerful attack on the faith of a saint than the attack that saint makes on his own soul by resting in a creed and doing nothing about it.

So, read the article I linked to. Dale Meador has a point, up to a point, but the critical point-- is this-- Meador is making an alibi for Reformed Christians who have no zeal to stand on Mars Hill and go toe to toe with damned sinners. Meador would be terrified to stand on a street corner and stop people and ask them, with tears, about their soul. Meador would not defend a patch of lentils for anyone, as did Shammah. 2 Samuel 23:11 Meador defends John Calvin, and the rest be damned.

I once was walking into the local market in Grant, Michigan, haven of many Dutch Reformed folks. I had a Gospel tract in my pocket, and I had asked the Lord to send me to the right person for that tract. I was not, as Meador implies, paranoid about it. Just one tract. My choice. Happy that I was right with God. One. Not a thousand and terror in my soul if I did not use my whole day handing out tracts. As I walked past the rear of a station wagon, I saw a middle aged fellow in the driver's seat, bored, and undoubtedly waiting for his wife who was inside the store shopping. I walked over to the man, the window being rolled down, and I asked him if he was bored. I smiled. I really cared, Dale, not just doing my damnation-preventing chores for a raging God.

The man laughed, and I told him what he needed was something to read. I handed him the tract. He thanked me, sized it up, and, I believe, honestly told me he was already born again. He told me I should give it to someone else who needed to hear the Gospel. He handed it to me. I then asked him, "Well, do you know anyone who could use that message?"

He at once pulled the tract back, and he said, "I sure do. I have never given one of these things to anyone. I should give it to someone who needs it." I encouraged him, turned, and walked into the store. I am a Calvinist in this regard-- God wanted that Reformed Christian to get to work. The man was not ashamed to claim Christ. That is step one. After I did what pleased God with my small effort, God sent that Reformed man on down the road determined to hand out that Gospel tract. But, I had to do what I felt compelled to do. And, that brother would not have stepped on out to show some zeal for souls if I had just hung around the parking lot "shining for Jesus." My life and character had very little to do with it-- My actions were what God used. My prayer was answered. I am still a sinner with things to take care of. That brother may now be winning a soul a day to Christ. I am not. But, he and I have something in common to look forward to in the Glory, that is, we were joined in zeal for souls in Grant, Michigan. And, John Calvin's Institutes were not needed for us to get our zeal up.

I am a Calvinist, Dale Meador, but I also fear God. He, in God the Son, told me to preach the Gospel-- be instant in season and out of season. Not to argue the virtues of the tulip-- rather; to preach the Gospel. I better do it if I want to have anything to show for at the judgment of the saints' works up yonder.

Dale Meador-- get your ever loving posterior out of the Lazy Boy and see what fun it is to win souls and make a difference ON THE STREET. Take a Gospel tract, ask the Holy Ghost to go before you, and head out just once. I know, it is terrifying for a committed Calvinist. No committee, no creed, not apologetics, no statement of faith-- just a little piece of paper and a smile. Scary indeed. What if you give the tract to a soul not elected? Well, so what? You wasted 2 cents of God's money. Maybe God just wants to see if you have the smaltz to do something dangerous and bordering on Arminian-- Win souls. Novel thought-- never heard of in the Bible, right?

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

He that maketh excuses and hideth behind the skirts of ancient theologians is a wimp--
Or, as they say here in Texas, "That man is as worthless as tits on a bore hog."

PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OF AMERICA HAS SERIOUS
ROMAN CATHOLIC BACKSLIDING CASE:
http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/auburn_avenue.htm

IMPORTANT ARTICLE DISTINGUISHING PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS FROM CALVINISTS
http://www.pbokc.org/docs/Ten%20Reasons%20Primitive%20Baptists%20Are%20Not%20Calvinists.htm

The Auburn Avenue Theology is nothing but Roman Whore
Theology restored:

HERE ARE THE DAMNABLE HERESIES OF THE
AUBURN AVENUE SCUM:

1. Baby baptism saves the baby for life, sort of,
if the Arminian point 3 does not kick in
(The rite of water is eternal)
How is this different, de facto, from the Church of Christ?

2. The Lord's Supper is returned to be externally powerful,
not just spiritual
(The Mass)
Hoc est Corpus Meum

3. "Falling away" as they define it, will damn you to hell
(Excommunication)
The Popes of these Reformed groups hold your soul in their hand and can pluck it out at will.

4. If the doctrine does not agree with Scripture, it is still authoritative
(Papal Bull-- Ex Cathedra)
And the farmer hauled another load away. Same source-- excretion from hell.

5. The visible church is the only church, IF water was dribbled on the member
(Mother church is watered bodies, not souls, and any wickedness must be over looked)
Venial sins are OK. Tip the glass, suck that cigar, let the blouse down over the shoulders.

Will Mother PCA now drag under the peripheral Presbyterians who feel they must not stand against other alleged brethren in their heretical moment? Will men who hate the Whore take a stand? Not likely. Witness how the Reformed Church of America egg heads hang around Calvin College for the hubris. The same will happen to all the other smaller Presbyterian denominations soon.

EXCEPTIONAL DISCUSSION, BY A BAPTIST, OF CALVINISM AND BAPTIST HERITAGE:
We are in total agreement of this brother.
http://www.learnthebible.org/baptist_calvinists.htm

PRETTY GOOD SITE BY REFORMED PEOPLE:
http://www.reformation.org/

GOOD PLACE TO STEP OFF INTO GAGA LAND:
http://www.teleport.com/~mkmcconn/calvin.html

HERE IS THE FRUIT OF THE POST-MILLENNIAL HERESY-- Identity Christ Hatred:  
http://www.nationofisrael.org/

THE PROTESTANT INQUISITION
(This is very useful, but the author is NOT born Again):  
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ247.HTM#VIII. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP

There was once an awakening in the Reformed Church:
http://www2.gospelcom.net/chi/calendar/oct22.html
 

HERE IS A ZEALOUS REFORMER.  THERE ARE A FEW,
AND THEY ARE USED OF GOD IN THIS ZEAL BECAUSE HE IS MERCIFUL,
FOR WE DO ALL OFFEND, SO CHECK OUT THIS GOOD PAGE:  
http://www.reformation.org/

I am looking for good articles by former Reformed Church men who fled from it.  

In the time being, here is their doctrine and creed page:  
http://www.crcna.org/crcCreeds.html

And  the Presbyterian version:  
http://www.ovnet.com/userpages/mandrson/creeds.htm


LETTER FROM A REFORMED READER


Dear Sir,

On your site you say that the churches of Calvin promote an evil religion. What do you mean by that? I am a deacon in my local Presbyterian Church in America. We are Calvinists and I don't know what you mean about evil religion.

In Christ,
Matthew ____________

 

RESPONSE BY STEVE VAN NATTAN

Calvin was eager to burn Christians at the stake. He ordered green wood to burn Servitus. Servitus DID teach error, but Jesus Christ NEVER taught us to kill and burn our adversaries. Zwingli drowned Anabaptists in the river and said he was giving them a better baptism. He hung them in iron cages from the pinnacle of steeples in Zurich.

The fruit of Calvin (and John Knox) today is creeds. Many creeds and debates over creeds. The Bible is not important to most Calvinists. They want to know which creed you believe. Is the Bible sufficient for your salvation and walk with the Lord Jesus Christ, or do you NEED the Westminster Confession? If you agree that the Westminster Confession is essential, then you are a blasphemer, for you are saying the Bible will not answer all questions. You cannot have a man made creed and the Bible at the same time. One gives place to the other. If you own only the Bible, then why hang around a church with old musty creeds which belong in museums with Egyptian mummies?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

What does the Bible lack that your creed supplies? Be careful in answering. You could damn yourself to hell.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Creeds are ADDED !!

So, the Bible is not central to Calvinist churches. Creeds and traditions of man are the higher power. The Bible is used as proof texting only. Let me suggest a test. Tell your pastor you are now keeping the Belgique Confession of the Dutch Reformed Church, or the Heidlelburg Confession of the Lutherans, and see what he says. You will be in deep trouble friend. Now, if the creeds are not as important as the Bible, why so much fear of changing creeds?

You may claim John Knox, but he was not much better. He ruled with an iron fist, and there was no room for the individual man's conscience before God. Thus, the nonconformist churches and the Covenanters. Thus, the Puritans and the Baptists of old England. They wanted to stand before God, not a creed. King James tolerated the descenters, but by and large they were persecuted by the creed junkies. Their suffering was not much different at the hands of the Reformers than before the Roman Whore earlier.

Reformation churches also add hierarchy, just like the Roman Catholic Whore. They have all manner of bishops and patriarchs in the denominations and seminaries who rule and decide what the people believe. The lambs follow because they trust PhDs more then they trust their own mind God gave them. Thus, the local church is really managed from above, which is NOT what the Apostle Paul taught. You may disagree, but I dare you to ask your pastor to break with any small issue that the denomination approves. Who is winning the battle to keep queers out of your pulpits-- you, or the PhDs? You are doomed. The higher order of the peck will prevail.

This is true of all Reformation denominations, with no exceptions. It is only an issue of degree.

You need to understand that the Reformers, with no exceptions, were NOT worried much about sin. They were so preoccupied with grace (which indeed is true) and eternal security (in which they were correct) that they just didn't bother too much about sin. Luther's priests were drunks, just as many Lutherans are today. Luther himself tried to stop drinking beer and could not. Today, almost all Reformed churches have nothing to say on smoking, which is deadly to the destruction of the "temple of the Holy Ghost." Sin is not a problem to most Reformed leaders.

This is why almost all are ordaining queers now. Worse is yet to come, I assure you. While we have no interest in the Arminian tendencies of "Holiness" churches, we Bible believers are keen to examine our lives in these areas of personal sin. We refuse to exalt men to leadership who have no victory in personal sin. I had to tune a piano one day in Michigan for a man who was an alcoholic and was on the Consistory of the local Dutch Christian Reformed Church. This church had closed communion, very protective of that, but they had known drunks leading their church life. BAH!

Sorry about the bad news. You need to leave this monster and move on to a local church which has only a King James Bible as its standard, AND NO CREED. The Reformation, all of it in Europe and Scotland, was unfinished. All sorts of wicked traces of the Whore of Rome remain with it to this day.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

God bless as you do the right thing.

In Christ Jesus

Steve Van Nattan

 

 

 

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